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Iraqi Cabinet Approves Security Pact With U.S.

By CAMPBELL ROBERTSON
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BAGHDAD — The Iraqi cabinet voted overwhelmingly Sunday to approve the security agreement that sets the conditions for the Americans' continued presence in Iraq from Jan. 1 until the end of 2011.

All but one of the 28 cabinet ministers who attended the two-and-a-half- hour session voted for the agreement and sent it to Parliament for consideration, a huge relief to the United States, which had been in intense negotiations with the Iraqis for nearly a year.

The United Nations Security Council resolution that allows U.S. troops to operate in Iraq expires Dec. 31, and, without an extension of the resolution or a separate agreement with the Iraqis like that approved by the cabinet on Sunday, forces of the U.S.-led coalition would have no legal mandate to operate.

''This is the best available alternative,'' the Iraqi government spokesman, Ali al-Dabbagh, said shortly after the vote. ''We have always said this is not a perfect solution for the Iraqi side and it is not a perfect solution for the American side. But it is a procedure which was forced by circumstances and necessity.

''This is the time after the progress in the security situation to transfer the security file to the Iraqi side, step by step.''

The draft approved Sunday requires coalition forces to withdraw from Iraqi cities and towns by the summer of 2009 and from the country by the end of 2011. An earlier version had language giving some flexibility to that deadline, with both sides discussing timetables and timelines for withdrawal, but the Iraqis managed to have the deadline set in stone, a significant negotiating victory. The United States has around 150,000 troops in Iraq.

For months, the fate of the pact has been in doubt as Iraqis have pressed for more changes on a variety of issues, including jurisdiction over operations by U.S. troops and the flexibility of the withdrawal date. The United States, which had wanted the pact concluded by midsummer, gave significant concessions. Iraqi officials said minor tweaks were being made as recently as last week.

Under the agreement, U.S. soldiers are still guaranteed immunity except in cases of serious felonies committed while off duty outside their bases.

''We welcome the cabinet's approval of the agreement today,'' said a spokesperson from the U.S. Embassy in Baghdad. ''This is an important and positive step.''

Many members of Parliament from Tawafiq, the Sunni bloc, said they were still undecided on the pact, arguing that a national referendum was crucial to approval. Parties representing about one-third of that bloc's members have indicated that they would support the agreement in its current form.

The Kurds, who had recently expressed hesitation about the agreement despite weeks of solid support, seem to have decided on approval.

''We have already expected that the cabinet would pass this agreement, because this is the best option,'' said Mahmoud Othman, an independent Kurdish member of Parliament. ''Our Kurdish leaders are with the agreement.'

Leaders of some of the smaller blocs, like Iraqia, a secular group representing 24 lawmakers, and Fadhila, a Shiite party that includes 15 members of parliament, said on Sunday that they had not yet taken a stance on the agreement because they had not seen the final draft.

In a crucial development, Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani, the most influential Shiite cleric in Iraq, indicated on Saturday that he would support whatever decision is arrived at in Parliament as representative of the will of the Iraqi people. Shiite officials who met with the ayatollah said eh found the latest draft acceptable, if not perfect; Sistani also made clear that he did not side with politicians who refused any agreement with the United States out of hand.

''The people who reject this agreement did not give us a logical alternative,'' an official in the ayatollah's office said Sunday. ''We respect their position, but we support the majority decision.''

The anti-American Shiite cleric Moktada al-Sadr had called for armed resistance against any agreement that allowed a continued U.S. presence in Iraq.

''I repeat my demand to the occupier to leave our land without keeping bases or signing agreements,'' Sadr said in a statement read to thousands of supporters at Friday prayers. ''If they keep bases, then I would support honorable resistance.''

Sistani is enormously influential among the majority Shiite population; in 2004, when he wanted to put pressure on the Americans to hold direct elections, he called upon his followers to march by the hundreds of thousands in a peaceful but powerful demonstration of force.

Dabbagh said of the Sadrists: ''You cannot guarantee a 100 percent approval of anything. They are performing and they are practicing their role in Iraqi democracy right now and they are expressing their opinion in a peaceful way and not a violent way, which we encourage.''

Stephen Farrell, Tariq Maher, Riyadh Muhammed, Muhammed Hussein, Suadad al-Salhy and Abeer Mohammed contributed reporting.

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Iraqitization..a slow and awkward process but.... it's getting there...
And its only cost us about a gazillion dollars. All to get one guy..........
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And its only cost us about a gazillion dollars. All to get one guy..........
...and free 25 million people from the most oppressive gov't on the face of teh Earth at the time (according to HRW and AI). (I know that you don't want to believe that, but that doesn't mean it's not true)
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...and free 25 million people from the most oppressive gov't on the face of teh Earth at the time (according to HRW and AI). (I know that you don't want to believe that, but that doesn't mean it's not true)
Lazy bastards should have thrown him out themselves. And still it was one guy. Three if you count his scum sucking kids.
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Lazy bastards should have thrown him out themselves. And still it was one guy. Three if you count his scum sucking kids.
Wow!...

Hundreds of thousands of dead and you blame THEM...
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Hundreds of thousands of dead and you blame THEM...
Who shed king George? My point is that we have many examples of brutal dictators in the world. Of all of them Saddam was not near the top. Especially if you considered the threat to us. Suddam was like a small time thug. And I think the administration thought that as well. So they thought it would be short and quick. I don't really want to rehash the BS that is the Iraq war. But even after removing Saddam we still have problems. Self inflictad as it may be.
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Who shed king George? My point is that we have many examples of brutal dictators in the world. Of all of them Saddam was not near the top. Especially if you considered the threat to us. Suddam was like a small time thug. And I think the administration thought that as well. So they thought it would be short and quick. I don't really want to rehash the BS that is the Iraq war. But even after removing Saddam we still have problems. Self inflictad as it may be.
Living in California, which would be one of the ten largest economies in the world if it were a country, and you enjoy democratic freedoms alot of the world do not have, forgive me if I am a bit skeptical of your own cynicism of the Iraqi people's capacity. One man can exert autocrat-style influence over a whole country. Just look at Josef Stalin. He killed 20 million people, and no one tried to stop him or stopped him. Why? Stalin created such an environment of fear that no one trusted each other, and where any opposition or potential opposition was completely stifled. Just look at Leon Trotsky. Such was Stalin's power that even in Mexico Trotsky was not safe.

What do you think Saddam Hussein was charged with? He was charged with the murder, torture of women and children and the illegal arrest of 399 people in a major onslaught against the Shiites in the 1980s, in retaliation for an assassination attempt against him.

As for Uday Hussein, maybe you should look at this before judging the Iraqi people for not trying to do anything.

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Living in California, which would be one of the ten largest economies in the world if it were a country, and you enjoy democratic freedoms alot of the world do not have, forgive me if I am a bit skeptical of your own cynicism of the Iraqi people's capacity. One man can exert autocrat-style influence over a whole country. Just look at Josef Stalin. He killed 20 million people, and no one tried to stop him or stopped him. Why? Stalin created such an environment of fear that no one trusted each other, and where any opposition or potential opposition was completely stifled. Just look at Leon Trotsky. Such was Stalin's power that even in Mexico Trotsky was not safe.

What do you think Saddam Hussein was charged with? He was charged with the murder, torture of women and children and the illegal arrest of 399 people in a major onslaught against the Shiites in the 1980s, in retaliation for an assassination attempt against him.

As for Uday Hussein, maybe you should look at this before judging the Iraqi people for not trying to do anything.
OK I was just sounding off. But I am still pissed that we are in Iraq.
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