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Barack Obama plans quick transfer of Guantanamo Bay suspects to US

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Barack Obama will move swiftly to close Guantanamo Bay as soon as he takes office, his aides revealed today, a clear and early sign of how aggressively he wants to break with President Bush the moment he is sworn in.

Mr Obama is planning to ship dozens of terror suspects from the prison to face criminal trial in the US as part of a plan to shut the jail down. It is a controversial move but one that demonstrates how abruptly he plans to change Washington in terms of policy, personnel and tone the moment he enters the Oval Office.

Mr Obama has said he wants to hit the ground running, and already details of his ambitious agenda - as he seeks to turn his back on the Bush-era - are becoming clear. He has vowed to start immediately removing combat troops from Iraq, although in recent weeks he has become more opaque about the speed of withdrawal.


Rahm Emmanuel, Mr Obama's choice for White House chief of staff, said on Sunday that the president-elect will also waste no time in pushing ahead with a new, middle-class tax cut, and a tax increase for the wealthiest Americans - a sharp break with Mr Bush.

Mr Emmanuel added that Mr Obama would act quickly to expand health insurance coverage and reverse course on Mr Bush's energy policy, although such an agenda is hugely expensive and could be imperilled by the worsening economy and a rapidly increasing budget deficit.

One of Mr Obama's first acts could be to use the power of executive authority - which enables presidents to take action without an Act of Congress - to block the expansion of oil drilling in the Utah wilderness that Mr Bush authorised by executive order. He is also looking to use the same power to quickly lift the limits on stem cell research imposed by Mr Bush.

Yet it is the closure of Guantanamo Bay that Mr Obama believes would provide one of the starkest and most high-impact demonstrations of how he intends to seek immediate change.

He is looking at creating a new "terrorism court" on the US mainland to try up to 80 terror suspects, including Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the self-confessed September 11 mastermind. Mr Obama said last week that he would close the prison "as quickly as we can do prudently".

Yet the move will face stiff opposition from many Republicans on Capitol Hill and a substantial number of Americans, who strongly oppose bringing terror suspects to US soil with traditional rules of evidence that give those being prosecuted the presumption of innocence.

Mr Bush refused to countenance trials on the American mainland and was finally forced by the US Supreme Court this year to allow detainees the right to have the legality of their detention adjudicated in a federal court in Washington.

Closing the jail on the US Naval base in Cuba could also create myriad other problems. Of the 255 detainees still being held there, experts believe well over 100 will probably never be charged, because there is little or no evidence linking them to terrorism.

Yet a significant number of their home countries are refusing to take them back, leaving Mr Obama with the politically difficult problem of what to do with them once they have been released. Housing them in the US, or giving them asylum, could prove to be highly controversial.

The legal team advising Mr Obama on Guantanamo believe that prosecuting the "high-value" terror suspects such Mohammed - a group of only about 30 - will require the creation of a special new court designed especially to handle highly sensitive intelligence material, a cross between a military tribunal and a federal court.

Prosecuting such high-value detainees in open federal court presents a host of problems. Evidence obtained by military interrogation would likely be thrown out. Defendants would have the right to confront witnesses, leaving undercover CIA offices or undercover informers to take the stand.

Laurence Tribe, a Harvard law professor who has been advising Mr Obama on the issue, said closing the prison was a top priority. He conceded that moving the prisoners onto US soil will be controversial, but added: "We can't put people in a dungeon forever without processing whether they deserve to be there."

Mr Obama also faces doubts from many Democrats who distrust a court that gives detainees anything less than the full constitutional and legal rights afforded normal defendants. "There would be a concern about establishing a completely new system," said Adam Schiff, a Democratic member of the House Judiciary Committee who is aware of the discussions inside the Obama camp.

Although a new hybrid court could prove to be unpopular, Mr Obama's advisers say he has few other options if he wants to close Guantanamo. Mr Tribe said he expects him to move quickly. "In reality...the idea that we have people in legal black holes is an extremely serious black mark," he said.

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I agree...it's time to turn the page on Gitmo but to move the "suspects" to the US "mainland" could be a disastrous move! Move em to Molokai or Kauai,Hawaii
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they need to be tried and convicted before being punished

it's not like saddam hussein is in charge of our penal system
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I agree...it's time to turn the page on Gitmo but to move the "suspects" to the US "mainland" could be a disastrous move! Move em to Molokai or Kauai,Hawaii
How about Chicago?...

Being a terror suspect automatically gives them a foot in the door to being a professor there...
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How about Chicago?...

Being a terror suspect automatically gives them a foot in the door to being a professor there...
We don't want to concentrate them all in one place..

Just keep em off the mainland...

If Obama brings them here...goodbye 2nd term...
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We don't want to concentrate them all in one place..

Just keep em off the mainland...

If Obama brings them here...goodbye 2nd term...
Bush spokesperson Perino had a great line I heard on TV...

(paraphrasing) - Funny how all of the people who criticized Bush for Gitmo are now saying how complex of a situation the NEXT president has in dealing with this...

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Bush spokesperson Perino had a great line I heard on TV...

(paraphrasing) - Funny how all of the people who criticized Bush for Gitmo are now saying how complex of a situation the NEXT president has in dealing with this...

It is complex because one must consider not only the judicial ramifications,humanitarian as well as the political ramifications.These were non uniformed enemy combatants and I have little sympathy for them. However..it's time we get this issue resolved.Charge them or release them in 30 days,that's not too complicated...
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It is complex because one must consider not only the judicial ramifications,humanitarian as well as the political ramifications.These were non uniformed enemy combatants and I have little sympathy for them. However..it's time we get this issue resolved.Charge them or release them in 30 days,that's not too complicated...
yeah...

Release them in 30 days...only to kill again...Nice plan...

Freed Guantanamo inmates take up arms

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AT LEAST 30 former Guantanamo Bay detainees have been killed or recaptured after taking up arms against allied forces following their release.

They have been discovered mostly in Afghanistan and Pakistan, but not in Iraq, a US Defence Department spokesman told The Age yesterday.

Commander Jeffrey Gordon said the detainees had, while in custody, falsely claimed to be farmers, truck drivers, cooks, small-arms merchants, low-level combatants or had offered other false explanations for being in Afghanistan.

"We are aware of dozens of cases where they have returned to militant activities, participated in anti-US propaganda or engaged in other activities," said Commander Gordon.

His comments follow the death this week of Taliban commander and former detainee Abdullah Mehsud, who reportedly blew himself up rather than surrender to Pakistani forces. In December 2001, Mehsud was captured in Afghanistan and held at Guantanamo Bay until his release in March 2004. He later became the Taliban chief for South Waziristan.

Commander Gordon said the US did not make it a practice to track detainees after their release, but it had become aware through intelligence gathering and media reports of many cases of released detainees returning to combat.

"These former detainees successfully lied to US officials, sometimes for over three years," he said. "Common cover stories include going to Afghanistan to buy medicines, to teach the Koran or to find a wife. Many of these stories appear so often, and are subsequently proven false, that we can only conclude that they are part of their terrorist training."
And you want them released...

How much more blood would you like on your hands?...
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How about Chicago?...

Being a terror suspect automatically gives them a foot in the door to being a professor there...
You are unbelievable.
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yeah...

Release them in 30 days...only to kill again...Nice plan...

Freed Guantanamo inmates take up arms

And you want them released...

How much more blood would you like on your hands?...
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Among the toughest problems Obama will face will be deciding what to do with the seventeen Chinese Muslims known as Uighurs who have been held at Guantanamo since 2001.

The men were cleared for release after a U.S. court determined that they're no threat to the nation's security.


The men can't be returned to China for fear they would be tortured as political dissidents. Meanwhile, more than 100 countries have refused U.S. requests to resettle them, with some of those refusals responses to Chinese pressure.

Releasing the men into the U.S. to live with Uighur families is a concern as well. Because the men have been held in very severe conditions at Gitmo, there are legitimate worries about their mental status.

In getting a stay last month to block their release from Gitmo, the Bush Administration claimed the men represented a "risk distinct to this nation" in part because of their six years the U.S. confined them at Gitmo.

If Obama decides to release these men into the U.S., there's the obvious risk that one or more of them could wind up in the kind of trouble that could create political problems for him.

But it's untenable, obviously, for him to keep them locked up, especially when a court has determined the men are no threat.


http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/po...namo_plan.html
Then charge them dam it...don't detain them indefinitely..
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If there is little or no evidence that these detainees have connections with terrorism, and have not accumulated sufficient evidence in the up to 6 years during which they have been detained at Guantanamo, then this is an untenable position. Human rights apply to all, not just US citizens, and you cannot simply hold them until some undefined period in the far future.

Closing down Guantanamo Bay is a step in the right direction; the institution was an exercise in the abrogation of fundamental human rights, and runs counter to the very ideals America was endeavouring to protect from Islamic extremism.
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