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KEY corps commanders of Pakistan's 600,000-strong army issued orders last night to retaliate against "invading" US forces that enter the country to attack militant targets.

The move has plunged relations between Islamabad and Washington into deep crisis over how to deal with al-Qa'ida and the Taliban

What amounts to a dramatic order to "kill the invaders", as one senior officer put it last night, was disclosed after the commanders - who control the army's deployments at divisional level - met at their headquarters in the garrison city of Rawalpindi under the chairmanship of army chief and former ISI spy agency boss Ashfaq Kayani.

Leading English-language newspaper The News warned in an editorial that the US determination to attack targets inside Pakistan was likely to be "the best recruiting sergeant that the extremists ever had", with even "moderates" outraged by it.

The "retaliate and kill" order came amid reports of unprecedentedly fierce fighting in the Bajaur Agency of Pakistan's tribal areas, an al-Qa'ida stronghold frequently mentioned as the most likely lair of Osama bin Laden and Ayman al-Zawahiri.

At the same time, a series of brutal killings by the militants were reported.


The beheaded bodies of two of nearly 40 police recruits abducted a week ago were found near the town of Hangu. Their discovery follows warnings that the recruits would be put to death, one by one, unless Pakistan stopped its big offensive in Bajaur.

The bodies of three local Bajaur men who had been shot in the neck were also found yesterday. Notes were attached declaring the men to have been spies.

In a day of what appears to have been unrelenting combat in Bajaur, helicopter gunships, heavy artillery and tanks were used to strike al-Qa'ida targets.

Officials said at least 100 militants had been killed, bringing the number who have died in the six weeks since the offensive was launched to well over 700. The figure is regarded as remarkable, given that NATO forces in Afghanistan seldom achieve a "kill" rate of more than about 30 in any single operation. Many of those killed are reported to have been "foreign fighters" - mostly Arabs and Central Asians, who have been flooding into Pakistan's tribal areas to join al-Qa'ida and the Taliban.

Ground troops are said to have moved into key areas formerly controlled by the militants, despite a promised ceasefire marking the holy month of Ramadan.

"We launched strikes against militant hideouts in Bajaur and destroyed several compounds they were using," an official was quoted as saying.

The order to retaliate against incursions by "foreign troops", directed specifically at the 120,000 Pakistani soldiers deployed along the border with Afghanistan, follows US President George W. Bush's authorisation of US attacks in Pakistan.

Washington's determination to launch such attacks has caused outrage across Pakistan, with Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani last night strongly backing a warning by General Kayani that Pakistan would not allow its territorial integrity to be violated.

The "kill" order against invading forces, and the sharp deterioration in relations with the US, has far-reaching implications for the war on terror.

Anger at all levels in Pakistani society was summed up last night in The News, not normally sympathetic to the militants.

"There is an escalating sense of furious impotence among the ordinary people of Pakistan," the newspaper said.

"Many - perhaps most - of them are strongly opposed to the spread of Talibanisation and extremist influence across the country: people who might be described as 'moderates'.

"Many of them have no sympathy for the mullahs and their burning of girls' schools and their medieval mindset.

"But if you bomb a moderate sensibility often enough, it has a tendency to lose its sense of objectivity and to feel driven in the direction of extremism.

"If America bombs moderate sensibilities often enough, you may find that its actions are the best recruiting sergeant that the extremists ever had."

Pakistan order to kill US invaders | The Australian

I see a hazy line of an issue here...
We need to make diplomatic efforts to ensure our actions have the government support.
And because of the nature of the situation, we need to make sure our actions are surgically honed to eliminate the al Qaeda tumor with the least effect upon the surrounding tissue.
(And I say that making no assumptions on our current status of meeting those goals. Perhaps we are...)

Also, we need to weigh our options. If they are using Pakistan as a safe haven to which to retreat to when convenient, I'm not sure we have any other real option.
al Qaeda is waging war on the U.S., and therefore I think they have expressed their desire to meet their virgins.

I'm also interested that this article is in an "Australian" paper. I'm curious if there is a bigger picture going on here...
I see the article talk about al Qaeda's heinous crimes in the area, and I can't help but think that HAS to sway local opinion against al Qaeda.
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ISLAMABAD, Pakistan (AP) - The furor intensified Friday over Washington's decision to pursue Islamic militant targets inside Pakistan, with opposition lawmakers threatening the country could pull out of the war on terror if the U.S. refuses to respect its borders.

About 100 protesters burned American flags after the latest missile attack left at least 12 people dead in the North Waziristan region of the troubled northwest. Residents said they heard the sound of propeller-driven U.S. Predator drones circling overhead before the explosions. More

I don't know why Pakistan was our "ally" in the first place.
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ISLAMABAD, Pakistan (AP) - The furor intensified Friday over Washington's decision to pursue Islamic militant targets inside Pakistan, with opposition lawmakers threatening the country could pull out of the war on terror if the U.S. refuses to respect its borders.

About 100 protesters burned American flags after the latest missile attack left at least 12 people dead in the North Waziristan region of the troubled northwest. Residents said they heard the sound of propeller-driven U.S. Predator drones circling overhead before the explosions. More

I don't know why Pakistan was our "ally" in the first place.
I've answered this same question of yours not long ago. Did you forget?

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Truly I did forget. Thanks!
So what is our plan now?
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So what is our plan now?
Why don't we both begin looking for the answer on Google and see who comes up with the right answer first?

Starting now.
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Maybe Sarah Palin's answer to Charles Gibson of ABC News is a sign of the new strategy.


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Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama issued a pointed warning yesterday to Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf, saying that as president he would be prepared to order U.S. troops into that country unilaterally if it failed to act on its own against Islamic extremists.

-- "Obama Says He Would Take Fight to Pakistan," Washington Post, 8-2-07 [emphasis added]


Much has been made of Sarah Palin's response to Charlie Gibson's question about the Bush Doctrine. Now, Chris Cuomo isn't running for VP. But when the GMA anchor got all exercised by Sarah Palin having put all options on the table when it comes to going after terrorists in Pakistan, he was evidently unaware of what you might call the Obama Doctrine on the matter, as described above. Cuomo went so far as to emote about Palin's position constituting a potential "declaration of war" on Pakistan. Even James Carville was forced to take a break from his condescending shtick about Palin to help talk Chris back down, pointing out that Obama had said something similar.

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Sarah who?
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Sarah who?
Isn't she the one who plagiarized Obama's plan?
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Should I google a few Republicans' reactions to Obama's statement?

Partisan hypocrisy on both sides gets REALLY old.

One of the things you gotta keep in mind about pundits is that "those that can, do. Those that can't, teach. Those that aren't able to teach, take on jobs as pundits..."
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