Third of Muslim students back killings

cnredd · #1 (**permalink**) 07-27-2008, 02:51 AM

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ALMOST a third of British Muslim students believe killing in the name of Islam can be justified, according to a poll.

The study also found that two in five Muslims at university support the incorporation of Islamic sharia codes into British law.

The YouGov poll for the Centre for Social Cohesion (CSC) will raise concerns about the extent of campus radicalism. “Significant numbers appear to hold beliefs which contravene democratic values,” said Han-nah Stuart, one of the report’s authors. “These results are deeply embarrassing for those who have said there is no extremism in British universities.”

The report was criticised by the country’s largest Muslim student body, Fosis, but Anthony Glees, professor of security and intelligence studies at Buckingham University, said: “The finding that a large number of students think it is okay to kill in the name of religion is alarming.

“There is a wide cultural divide between Muslim and nonMuslim students. The solution is to stop talking about celebrating diversity and focus on integration and assimilation.”

The researchers found that 55% of nonMuslim students thought Islam was incompatible with democracy. Nearly one in 10 had “little respect” for Muslims.

In addition to its poll of 1,400 Muslim and nonMuslim students, the centre visited more than 20 universities to interview students and listen to guest speakers. It found that extremist preachers regularly gave speeches that were inflammatory, homophobic or bordering on antisemitic.

The researchers highlighted Queen Mary college, part of London University, as a campus where radical views were widely held. Last December, a speaker named Abu Mujahid encouraged Muslim students to condemn gays because “Allah hates” homosexuality. In November, Azzam Tamimi, a British-based supporter of Hamas, described Israel as the most “inhumane project in the modern history of humanity”.

James Brandon, deputy director at CSC , said: “Our researchers found a ghettoised mentality among Muslim students at Queen Mary. Also, we found the segregation between Muslim men and women at events more visible at Queen Mary.”

A spokesman for Queen Mary said the university was aware the preachers had visited but did not know the contents of their speeches. “Clearly, we in no way associate ourselves with these views. However, also integral to the spirit of university life is free speech and debate and on occasion speakers will make statements that are deemed offensive.”

In the report, 40% of Muslim students said it was unacceptable for Muslim men and women to associate freely. Homophobia was rife, with 25% saying they had little or no respect for gays. The figure was higher (32%) for male Muslim students. Among nonMuslims, the figure was only 4%.

The research found that a third of Muslim students supported the creation of a world-wide caliphate or Islamic state.

Don't worry...

Just keep telling yourself "It's only a couple of people" and pretending there isn't a movement...

Mikeyy · #2 (**permalink**) 07-27-2008, 09:48 AM

This is the issue of our times. How to maintain our freedoms and deal with people who use the cover of that freedom to undermine or free culture. And to maintain our freedoms while being under attack from outside.

The present administration when challenged with the issue made mistakes and probably broke the law. This is because at their core they feel they are special. Super Americans.

I don't have an answer to what they should do. I do know what they shouldn't do.

bhkad · #3 (**permalink**) 07-28-2008, 02:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Mikeyy

This is the issue of our times. How to maintain our freedoms and deal with people who use the cover of that freedom to undermine or free culture. And to maintain our freedoms while being under attack from outside.

The present administration when challenged with the issue made mistakes and probably broke the law. This is because at their core they feel they are special. Super Americans.

I don't have an answer to what they should do. I do know what they shouldn't do.

Look under their beds? Invest in Australia?

Mikeyy · #4 (**permalink**) 07-28-2008, 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by bhkad

Look under their beds? Invest in Australia?

I know you support domestic spying so you are safe. I don't. And I have heard this refrain from the right. "If you have nothing to hide then why do you care Comrade" No Thanks. This administration is all yours.

L.P. Farnsworth · #5 (**permalink**) 08-08-2008, 06:16 AM

Here's an idea: Quit letting them into the country. It's not like they're actually needed for anything; and no, some goober who needs really, really cheap labor for his restaurant or dry cleaning store isn't a 'need' ...

bhkad · #6 (**permalink**) 08-08-2008, 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Farnsworth, L.P.

Here's an idea: Quit letting them into the country. It's not like they're actually needed for anything; and no, some goober who needs really, really cheap labor for his restaurant or dry cleaning store isn't a 'need' ...

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bhkad · #7 (**permalink**) 08-08-2008, 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Mikeyy

I know you support domestic spying so you are safe. I don't. And I have heard this refrain from the right. "If you have nothing to hide then why do you care Comrade" No Thanks. This administration is all yours.

So tell me about the Australian investment.

hussein · #8 (**permalink**) 08-09-2008, 07:49 AM

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ALMOST a third of British Muslim students believe killing in the name of Islam can be justified, according to a poll.

It's worrying, I admit. Another poll I recollect stated that some 10% of Indonesians supported Islamic suicide bombings in certain circumstances. To defeat Islamic extremism, part of the strategy must be to attack the growth of such sentiments at the grassroots level. Islamic extremists must find no sympathy in any mainstream society, and in this way their actions will be invalidated and they will eventually be completely marginalised. We must remember, however, that most Muslims do not support suicide bombings. Despite these worrying statistics, we should still keep this foremost in our minds.

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The study also found that two in five Muslims at university support the incorporation of Islamic sharia codes into British law.

I don't find this development so worry. Incorporation of religious law into mainstream Western civil systems is already happening in places like Canada. Aboriginal customary law is adapted to a certain extent to Australian law. It is a matter of bringing the two together.

The YouGov poll for the Centre for Social Cohesion (CSC) will raise concerns about the extent of campus radicalism. “Significant numbers appear to hold beliefs which contravene democratic values,” said Han-nah Stuart, one of the report’s authors. “These results are deeply embarrassing for those who have said there is no extremism in British universities.”

The report was criticised by the country’s largest Muslim student body, Fosis, but Anthony Glees, professor of security and intelligence studies at Buckingham University, said: “The finding that a large number of students think it is okay to kill in the name of religion is alarming.

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“There is a wide cultural divide between Muslim and nonMuslim students. The solution is to stop talking about celebrating diversity and focus on integration and assimilation.”

I don't agree about the point of assimilation. Integration, yes. Assimilation, no. With assimilation comes the subsumation of your cultural identity into some fanciful idea of an Anglo-Christian British identity. This is something I do not agree with. How can a country demand its people from immigrant backgrounds demand they give up the identities of their homelands in order to live in their country? We live in a cosmopolitan and multicultural world, and when London itself is one of the most multicultural cities on the planet, suggesting assimilation as some ill-conceived and half-baked solution to this worrying sympathy amongst British Muslims for Islamic extremism is just stupid.

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The researchers found that 55% of nonMuslim students thought Islam was incompatible with democracy. Nearly one in 10 had “little respect” for Muslims.

This is just as worrying. If non-Muslims do not respect Muslims, then how can Muslims respect non-Muslims? It takes two to tango. Just as Muslims must reach out to the wider community, so too do non-Muslims need to reach out to Muslims. Learn about Islam, befriend Muslims.

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