Why the heck are we even putting up with this crap.... Al-Qaida and the Taliban will not stop fighting the US and Nato forces.

I say stop all $ to Pakistan! Move our laser plane and all anti missile equipment into range and go for the Gold. Afghanistan will go with us!

This is why and how we got into the middle east. Remember? Bush then decided tpo take troop already in a war zone and move them into Iraq. The war on terror is in Afaganstan, ask Lancer!

Please any political pundit explain this to me.

Pakistan says US not hunting bin Laden on its turf By JOHN HEILPRIN and PETER JAMES SPIELMANN, Associated Press Writers
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Pakistan says US not hunting bin Laden on its turf - Yahoo! News

NEW YORK - Pakistan's top diplomat said Saturday there are no U.S. or other foreign military personnel on the hunt for Osama bin Laden in his nation, and none will be allowed in to search for the al-Qaida leader.

In an interview with The Associated Press, Pakistani Foreign Minister Shah Mahmood Qureshi said his nation's new government has ruled out such military operations, covert or otherwise, to catch militants.

"Our government's policy is that our troops, paramilitary forces and our regular forces are deployed in sufficient numbers. They are capable of taking action there. And any foreign intrusion would be counterproductive," he said Saturday. "People will not accept it. Questions of sovereignty come in."

The United States has grown increasingly frustrated as al-Qaida, the Taliban and other militants thrive in Pakistan's remote areas and in neighboring Afghanistan, and has offered U.S. troops to strike at terror networks. Critics in Washington also have expressed frustration with the new Pakistani government's pursuit of peace deals in the region.

Bin Laden is believed to be hiding somewhere along the rugged and lawless Afghan-Pakistan border region.

Pakistan's newly elected civilian government is negotiating with tribal elders to secure peace with militants along the Afghan border in hopes of curbing a surge in violence. It is a step back from the heavy-handed tactics pursued by the previous government led by supporters of President Pervez Musharraf.
Entire story at the site...............................

That's not true...

Musharraf has NEVER been heavy-handed on anything...In fact, that's why he's been the best ally we could have there (and that's not saying much)...

If he were to become "heavy-handed" in the tribal regions, there'd be a mass uprising and that would be the end of him...

...which would put the possession of nukes into the hands of people MUCH less desirable...

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Yes, it appears that Pakistan is now part of the problem and not part of the solution.

One thing is for sure. Afghanistan will not be secure as long as insurgents are allowed to operate freely in sanctuaries on the Pakistan side of the border. The Pakistanis won't resolve this, not while they have a peace deal with the Taliban. These peace deals are being driven by the Pakistani army (in many ways more powerful than the newly installed government) who dominate strategy and management of government policy on Afghanistan.

And it's not just peace deals. The Taliban and other groups are getting support from individuals within Pakistan’s Inter Service Intelligence. This includes logistical and financial support and worst of all, ISI trainers who are instructing insurgents in camps at Quetta, Mansehra, Shamshattu and Parachinar and other areas of Pakistan.

You won't get to hear too much about this because the role of the ISI in supporting the Taliban insurgency is a highly sensitive issue, which Western officials decline to discuss openly. The British and US governments have both avoided directly accusing Pakistan of aiding insurgent groups. Britain in particular is reliant on the ISI for information connected to domestic terror plots planned in Pakistan.

The Afghan government on the other hand has been quite open about it. They have sufficient evidence to support their accusation that Pakistani intelligence agents masterminded the attack on the Indian Embassy in Kabul, which killed 41 people and injured 140. President Karzai has already threatened to send Afghan forces into Pakistani territory to root out insurgents.

Clearly the Pakistanis have some sort of long term strategic interest in Afghanistan, and they certainly don't want to see their arch enemy, India, gaining political strength there, so I guess that is part of the reason for their support of the Taliban. However, the fact remains that we could take out the AQ/Taliban strongholds in the blink of an eye if Pakistan allowed us access.

Stopping financial aid to Pakistan would be an excellent way of convincing them of the error of their ways.

Incidentally, most of the insurgents we are coming across now are Pakistanis.
In one incident in Helmand a Taliban corpse found on the battlefield turned out to be carrying papers identifying the body as that of a serving ISI colonel. When British officials challenged the Islamabad government on the issue, they received an explanation that the man was ’on leave’ at the time of his death. Yeh! Right! A war zone is exactly where I'd want to spend my leave too!

Lancer, thank you for a true on the ground assessment of the real situation.
Your post should be read twice.

This board is lucky to have one of its members risking life and limb in the service of his country and ours. Who can see thru the grabage we are fed.

My thanks bro.

Mlurpy, you are a gentleman! Thank you for those kind words. I appreciate it.

Excellent post Lancer. I will take your word on the situation before I believe some media outlet's propaganda. Pakistan is indeed part of the problem. Economic sanctions would be a great way to deal with them if they don't cooperate.

Of course there are those that will complain how sanctions will hurt the people of Pakistan. Well, if the people are hurting so bad then they should blame their own government. If they don't complain, then they are destined to be slaves of their government.

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So he needs Condee (Bush's yes woman) or would you settle for his choice, which I am sure he will decide upon. Even McCain will have too.

I think we will soon have the face down with Pakistan that they used a war in Iraq to avoid. And its about friggin time. Pakistan is like a tumor. And it likes to spread its cancer.

AD my point for the start. Quote: Why the heck are we even putting up with this crap.... Al-Qaida and the Taliban will not stop fighting the US and Nato forces.

I say stop all $ to Pakistan! Move our laser plane and all anti missile equipment into range and go for the Gold. Afghanistan will go with us! End Quote..
You think that blasting all of pakinstans nukes in the silo's would work? Melt them into a mass of useless metal.