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On June 26, a suicide bomber attacked a meeting of tribal sheikhs in Iraq’s Anbar province and killed 20 people, including three U.S. Marines. The episode was widely reported by U.S. media. Zoriah Miller, a photojournalist and blogger embedded with U.S. Marines in Iraq, took pictures of the attack’s grisly aftermath, including one of the fallen soldiers.

The U.S. military, however, was incensed at Miller’s portrayal of the horrors of war and immediately “disembedded” him from his Marine unit. IPS reports on the fall-out:
“Tuesday [Jul. 1] I awoke to a call in their combat operations centre, and the person on the phone told me they were a PAO (Public Affairs Officer) at Camp Fallujah, and he wanted me to take my blog down right away,” Miller told IPS. “I asked them why, and was told then called back after five minutes by a higher ranking PAO who claimed I had broken my contract by showing photos of dead Americans with U.S. uniforms and boots.”

Miller said the PAO claimed he was not allowed, by the embed contract, to show dead or wounded U.S. citizens or soldiers in the field. “I never signed any contract for that,” Miller said.
Miller also told the Ventura County Star that he believed he was within the rules because the victim was unidentifiable. Additionally, he waited to post the pictures until four days after the attack. Miller said that he received strong support from the lower-ranking Marines, who “were on [his] side.”

The military may have realized its case was weak. Two days later, on July 3, Miller received an official letter with a new reason for his dismissal: He had posted “detailed information of the effectiveness of the attack” and therefore “put all U.S. forces in Iraq at greater risk for harm.” Miller explains the military’s spinning:
“The bottom line is that the thing they cited as the reason for my dismissal was ‘information the enemy could use against you’. They realised, probably from keeping track of my blog, that I was not showing identifiable features of a soldier…and they couldn’t find a reason to kick me out. Because it was a high ranking person who got killed, they were all fired up.”

Miller concluded, “Up to that point they said it was because I showed pictures of bodies with pieces of uniform and boots. The letter, though, doesn’t mention that at all. I checked the document I had about ground rules for media embeds, and I followed them.”
Miller now plans on returning to the United States and appealing the military’s decision. “You’re a war photographer, but once you take a picture of what war is like then you get into trouble,” he said.
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Let me guess. The response is to complain about the MSM?

War is dirty and ugly, and Americans should know EXACTLY what it is so they can decide on if it is worth it.
Bush has done an INCREDIBLE job, from start to finish, of hiding, obfuscating, and limiting information that isn't flattering for his plans.

And his policies are still in effect...
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Let me guess. The response is to complain about the MSM?

War is dirty and ugly, and Americans should know EXACTLY what it is so they can decide on if it is worth it.
Bush has done an INCREDIBLE job, from start to finish, of hiding, obfuscating, and limiting information that isn't flattering for his plans.

And his policies are still in effect...
Bush had nothing to do with the decision to kick out the blogger.
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Both of you are right. War isn't healthy for any living being.

But I take exception to those that think they can use terror as a way to gain. Forgive me Jesus, but kill them all!
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If we were shown more of our people getting killed by these radicals, maybe some wouldn't be so inclined to give the poor misguided suicide bombers the benefit of the doubt. And try to reason with terrorists.
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If we were shown more of our people getting killed by these radicals, maybe some wouldn't be so inclined to give the poor misguided suicide bombers the benefit of the doubt. And try to reason with terrorists.
Or if we took away the publicity that the terrorists get every time they attack, they'd lose a lot of their motivation to carry out these attacks. Thier attacks are intended to cause fear and if no one knows about them, there's no one to create fear in.

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Bush had nothing to do with the decision to kick out the blogger.
No, but in these situations, government policy determines the actions that will be taken. Your government and mine don't want the public to see the bad side of their wars. Their objectives are to do everything possible to gain and retain public support and that doesn't include showing pictures of fallen soldiers. After all, they wouldn't want to diminish the recruiting process by showing potential recruits just how hellish war can be, would they.
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For those interested, here is the blog.

ZORIAH: Suicide Bombing in Anbar - Eye Witness Account - Iraq War Photographer Diary - Graphic Images
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Besides having the obvious reason of terrorists using these very same photos from embedded journalists on their websites and other outlets to PROMTE their causes, let's take a step back...

Images of dying Texas soldier ignite debate

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A photograph and videotape of a Texas soldier dying in Iraq published by the New York Times have triggered anger from his relatives and Army colleagues and revived a long-standing debate about which images of war are proper to show.

The journalists involved, Times reporter Damien Cave and Getty Images photographer Robert Nickelsberg, working for the Times, had their status as so-called embedded journalists suspended Tuesday by the Army corps in Baghdad, military officials said, because they violated a signed agreement not to publish photos or video of any wounded soldiers without official consent.

New York Times foreign editor Susan Chira said Tuesday night that the newspaper initially did not contact the family of Army Staff Sgt. Hector Leija about the images because of a specific request from the Army to avoid such a direct contact.

"The Times is extremely sensitive to the loss suffered by families when loved ones are killed in Iraq," Chira said. "We have tried to write about the inevitable loss with extreme compassion."

She said that after the newspaper account, with a photograph of the soldier, was published Monday, a Times reporter in Baghdad made indirect efforts to tell the family of the video release later that day. The video was still available for viewing on the Times’ Web site Tuesday night, when the newspaper notified clients of its photo service that the photograph at issue was no longer available and should be eliminated from any archives…

Chief Warrant Officer 4 Robert Lobeck, serving as the Army’s casualty assistance officer with Leija’s family in Texas, said seeing the images of Leija on the Internet was very upsetting to the relatives.

"Oh God, they shouldn’t have published a picture like that," Leija’s cousin Tina Guerrero, who had not seen the images but was aghast about them anyway, told the Houston Chronicle on Tuesday in Raymondville. She said the images would be especially hurtful to the soldier’s parents, Domingo and Manuela Leija, who have remained in the family’s home on the edge of town. ”It’s going to devastate them," Guerrero said. ”They’re having enough pain dealing with the death of their son."

Accompanying the Times article was a picture of Leija on a stretcher, an Army medic using his right hand to compress the sergeant’s wounded forehead. Leija was alive in the photograph. The story noted that he died later in the day.

Later Monday, the Times posted on its Web site a five-minute, 52-second video taken at the scene of the shooting, showing an interview with Leija before he was wounded, then the frantic moments after he is downed by a single shot…

The agreement that journalists are asked to sign as a condition of embedding has 14 rules. Rule 11 covers military casualties: "Names, video, identifiable written/oral description or identifiable photographs of wounded service members will not be released without service member’s prior written consent."

The ground rule goes on to say, "In respect for family members, names or images clearly identifying individuals ‘killed in action’ will not be released." The rule says names of soldiers killed can be released a day after family notification, but it does not address photographs or video images.

Chira said as far as she knew, the journalists had signed the forms. But she also said: "This issue has never been raised before when the New York Times has shown photographs of wounded soldiers." …

Chira also said she had been told by the reporter in Baghdad that he had reached out to two people with Texas connections to act as intermediaries to alert the family that a video was going to be posted. They were Kathy Travis, a press aide to Rep. Solomon Ortiz, D-Corpus Christi, and Principal Gilbert Galvan of Raymondville High School.

Travis had a different account.

"Whoa, that isn’t what happened," she said Tuesday night in a telephone interview. "The reporter called me late Monday afternoon and said he understood that the family was upset and that he wanted us to know that he had the utmost respect for the soldier and wanted us to let the family know that."

Galvan said a New York Times reporter called Monday, saying he could not reach Leija’s relatives and asking Galvan to notify the family of the story and the impending release of the video.

Galvan said he went to the Leijas’ house and relayed the message. "They looked upset," he said…
The Times didn't want to WAIT until the family was notified, so they called a press aide to a local Representative(???) and high school principal(???????) saying they "could not reach Leija’s relatives" even though "New York Times foreign editor Susan Chira said Tuesday night that the newspaper initially did not contact the family of Army Staff Sgt. Hector Leija about the images because of a specific request from the Army to avoid such a direct contact."...

THAT'S why you have restrictions...To prevent media outlets from propaganda in the face of personal tragedy...
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That damn New York Slimes!

I have no use for that pathetic liberal rag.
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I have pictures of what is going on and have seen it first hand and still see it many nights. But thanks for the data...
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