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Old 07-13-2008, 09:32 PM
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I think there is more to this story than Miller is claiming. EVERYONE that is an inbed with the military HAS to sign a waiver. Convenient of Miller to forget the fine print that he signed.

I work in the media. I was ALMOST imbedded 3 years ago with Dateline. We were going to do a story of the rebuilding of the infrastructure. I had a bunch of forms to sign, which included the agreement regarding the embedding. The story was scrubbed so the trip was canceled. Nevertheless, there are specific rules one has to follow.

There is mor to this story than is being reported.
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I think there is more to this story than Miller is claiming. EVERYONE that is an inbed with the military HAS to sign a waiver. Convenient of Miller to forget the fine print that he signed.
Convenient of you to not even bother to read the original article.
Miller TALKS about the "fine print" he signed.
He ABIDED by it.

And all you have to contradict that is you "think there is more to this story"???
Well. Ain't that quite the overwhelming proof of nothingness...

If you got proof, then give it.
If all you have is speculation, at least spend some time to read the original article before you open your yap...
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Convenient of you to not even bother to read the original article.
Miller TALKS about the "fine print" he signed.
He ABIDED by it.
Ummm...

Did you read your own article?...

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Miller said the PAO claimed he was not allowed, by the embed contract, to show dead or wounded U.S. citizens or soldiers in the field. “I never signed any contract for that,” Miller said.
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Ummm...
Did you read your own article?...
Yes. I did.
And how about we quote more than just two sentences and utilize an assumption.

Miller also told the Ventura County Star that he believed he was within the rules because the victim was unidentifiable. Additionally, he waited to post the pictures until four days after the attack. Miller said that he received strong support from the lower-ranking Marines, who “were on [his] side.”

The military may have realized its case was weak. Two days later, on July 3, Miller received an official letter with a new reason for his dismissal: He had posted “detailed information of the effectiveness of the attack” and therefore “put all U.S. forces in Iraq at greater risk for harm.”
Why did they have to create a NEW excuse to kick him out if "showing a dead soldier" was supposedly clearly against the original contract?

Put two and two together here...
WHY did they change their story?


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Three days later, I had a—was invited to a dinner at the US embassy in Baghdad, where I was told that senior public affairs officials, basically as high up in the chain of command as you can get in Iraq, had been debating my case and had been listening to the claims that the Marines had made and had not found anything that I had done to be a breach of my contract, a breach of the embed rules, and that they would allow me to keep my credentials, although there was nothing they could do as far as the Marines go. My ban and barment from the Marine Corps stood, and there was no way that that would be lifted.
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Santiago Lyon, director of photography for The Associated Press, says the wire service primarily gets such images from embedded photographers, who are bound by military ground rules to hold back photos in which the dead or wounded might be recognized until the families are notified. "If the faces are not recognizable, in theory you can send them," he says. "But it's rare that we're in a situation where we're able to [obtain] those pictures. Even with the foreign photographers working there, it's still a lot of hit and miss."
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Convenient of you to not even bother to read the original article.
Yes, I have. Why would you think I did not read it? In fact here is the COMPLETE article for you to refer to if you like:
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On June 26, a suicide bomber attacked a meeting of tribal sheikhs in Iraq’s Anbar province and killed 20 people, including three U.S. Marines. The episode was widely reported by U.S. media. Zoriah Miller, a photojournalist and blogger embedded with U.S. Marines in Iraq, took pictures of the attack’s grisly aftermath, including one of the fallen soldiers.

The U.S. military, however, was incensed at Miller’s portrayal of the horrors of war and immediately “disembedded” him from his Marine unit. IPS reports on the fall-out:

“Tuesday [Jul. 1] I awoke to a call in their combat operations centre, and the person on the phone told me they were a PAO (Public Affairs Officer) at Camp Fallujah, and he wanted me to take my blog down right away,” Miller told IPS. “I asked them why, and was told then called back after five minutes by a higher ranking PAO who claimed I had broken my contract by showing photos of dead Americans with U.S. uniforms and boots.”

Miller said the PAO claimed he was not allowed, by the embed contract, to show dead or wounded U.S. citizens or soldiers in the field. “I never signed any contract for that,” Miller said.

Miller also told the Ventura County Star that he believed he was within the rules because the victim was unidentifiable. Additionally, he waited to post the pictures until four days after the attack. Miller said that he received strong support from the lower-ranking Marines, who “were on [his] side.”

The military may have realized its case was weak. Two days later, on July 3, Miller received an official letter with a new reason for his dismissal: He had posted “detailed information of the effectiveness of the attack” and therefore “put all U.S. forces in Iraq at greater risk for harm.” Miller explains the military’s spinning:

“The bottom line is that the thing they cited as the reason for my dismissal was ‘information the enemy could use against you’. They realised, probably from keeping track of my blog, that I was not showing identifiable features of a soldier…and they couldn’t find a reason to kick me out. Because it was a high ranking person who got killed, they were all fired up.”

Miller concluded, “Up to that point they said it was because I showed pictures of bodies with pieces of uniform and boots. The letter, though, doesn’t mention that at all. I checked the document I had about ground rules for media embeds, and I followed them.”

Miller now plans on returning to the United States and appealing the military’s decision. “You’re a war photographer, but once you take a picture of what war is like then you get into trouble,” he said.

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If you got proof, then give it.
If all you have is speculation, at least spend some time to read the original article before you open your yap...
Proof of what? My comments adressed the article appropriatly, so unless you would like to point out a specific I should clarify. Then again, it's just my opinion. Here's a bit of proof for you. I went through the imbed process stateside (at least the paperwork) and I understand exactly what the guidelines are. That is why I commented that there may be more to this than is being reported. So that is all the proof I need. My opinion is valid and it is based on my personal experience. Have you been in a similar position?

Yap. yap, yap, yap, yap...
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Like pool halls with the string to move each dropped ball when point is made.

You guys are at a draw. Take it up a notch. lol
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Like pool halls with the string to move each dropped ball when point is made.

You guys are at a draw. Take it up a notch. lol
Which caliber would you recommend?
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Yes, I have. Why would you think I did not read it?
Because you failed to get the fact that he WAS addressing the document he signed. He EXPLICITLY discussed it AND what it ACTUALLY said.

But you treated the situation like he forgot all about it.

Why did you pretend he *forgot about it* when he obviously EXPLICITLY addressed it?


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Proof of what?
Proof that he violated the "fine print".
I think the current situation shows PLENTY of evidence showing how the "fine print" does NOT prohibit what he did.
I am still waiting on ANYBODY to address that...
I am still waiting on more than the retracted, changed, and self-contradicted word of the military to prove he violated something.

So, if you have any PROOF that he violated the "fine print", then give it.

If the best you have is conjecture and a pointless truism about "two sides to the story", then I guess we have more substantial evidence at hand while the military is silent...
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