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Old 07-10-2008, 09:27 AM
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[quote=foundit66;32555]I'm just speaking the truth.
The polls speak to a reality you obviously do not know about.
If you not knowing offends you, then maybe you should take it upon yourself to correct that situation.



No.
I've already posted them, and I saw what feeble response you gave last time.
I have never commented on a survey about military families you posted.

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One of the really annoying things about this "war" is how the president has "deceived" the nation by REFUSING to place the burden for PAYING for the war at the feet of the American people.
Wrong the American People are paying for it and you are free to send as much money as you desire to the treasury.


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I want an HONEST answer from some of the die-hard Republicans around here as to why Bush has NOT put more of the war effort cost upon the American tax-payer.
Feel free to mountain a citizen campaign to raise money.

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The thing they refuse to address over and over again is the question of whether or not it is WORTH it
It has been a topic since the get-go.

Specious and frivolous argument.
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Old 07-10-2008, 11:23 AM
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I have never commented on a survey about military families you posted.
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I have posted these surveys before.
And you "never commenting" is not a surprise, considering you routinely avoid the actual topic and go for obfuscation.

Which is why I won't waste my time now...

If you want to comment on them, go find them.
What you really want to do is waste my time, and I'm not interested.


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Wrong the American People are paying for it and you are free to send as much money as you desire to the treasury.
Most of this war debt is being financed by LOANS.
Not by actual tax money.


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I want an HONEST answer from some of the die-hard Republicans around here as to why Bush has NOT put more of the war effort cost upon the American tax-payer.
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Feel free to mountain a citizen campaign to raise money.
Talk about obfuscation...
I asked for an HONEST answer, and of course you couldn't supply one...


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It has been a topic since the get-go.
Specious and frivolous argument.
Whether the COST is worth the BENEFIT is a "specious and frivolous argument"?
Only to those who can't address it with an HONEST reply.

And if you're even hinting that "since the get-go" means BEFORE Bush had Iraq war approval, then your dishonesty has reached new heights.
All he did at that stage was claim the war would "pay for itself", which was a LIE.
As I pointed out earlier, the Bush Administration KNEW that if the cost of the war...
The REALITY of the war...
They KNEW that if the American people saw that, the war wouldn't be supported.
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Old 07-18-2008, 10:14 AM
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I have posted these surveys before.
You claimed I made a comment on them, I have not you were not not speaking truthfully. I could care less what you claim you have posted before, I asked you specifically to link to the one you were citing.

Obviuously you can't. When you can let me know.

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And you "never commenting" is not a surprise,
Your making a false claim that you had posted them to me before is not, your then unwillingness to back your claim and then try to back out of your assertion is not.

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Which is why I won't waste my time now...

If you want to comment on them, go find them.
Then we can only assume you can't back up your assertion. It's your assertion if you want to make it then back it up.

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Most of this war debt is being financed by LOANS.
Not by actual tax money.
It is being financed no different from the rest of government spending.
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Most of this war debt is being financed by LOANS.
Not by actual tax money.
Every war we've ever been in has been financed by loans. So why the big dust up about OIF doing the exact same thing??
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Whether the COST is worth the BENEFIT is a "specious and frivolous argument"?
What's the dollar value of freedom for ~25 million people???
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Every war we've ever been in has been financed by loans. So why the big dust up about OIF doing the exact same thing??

What's the dollar value of freedom for ~25 million people???
For them its free For us its about a trillion and maybe 5000 americans
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Every war we've ever been in has been financed by loans. So why the big dust up about OIF doing the exact same thing??
Financed by loans, but there has ALWAYS been a sacrifice on the part of the American people during that war time. Like higher taxes.


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What's the dollar value of freedom for ~25 million people???
Does anybody else find this neo-conservative "price tag of freedom" so incredibly hollow, when there are numerous complaints about the price tag for health care, helping the homeless, and numerous other types of humanitarian aid?

And the fact that you can't address is that it was an EXPLICIT CONCERN that the American people would find the price tag TOO HIGH if they were told what it would REASONABLY be expected to be.
That was something Bush Administration members EXPLICITLY mentioned.
And THAT is the reason they obfuscated, lied, and hid the truth over the overall cost.

There is no point in quibbling over "price" at this point, and your rhetorical propaganda is meaningless compared to the hypocrisy of the overall Republican perspective of the "dollar value" of a variety of other humanitarian issues.
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Every war we've ever been in has been financed by loans. So why the big dust up about OIF doing the exact same thing??
My understanding is that our tax dollars pay for the interest that is attached to the loans that pay for the wars. Am I correct?
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You claimed I made a comment on them, I have not you were not not speaking truthfully. I could care less what you claim you have posted before, I asked you specifically to link to the one you were citing.
Obviuously you can't. When you can let me know.
Your making a false claim that you had posted them to me before is not, your then unwillingness to back your claim and then try to back out of your assertion is not.
http://www.politicalwrinkles.com/pol...-remark-2.html
You said the magic words...
Now, proving you a liar is something I will do work for. You DID respond to my post where I gave this poll.


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It is being financed no different from the rest of government spending.
I am routinely amazed at how some Republicans can't comprehend the concept of a balanced budget...
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My understanding is that our tax dollars pay for the interest that is attached to the loans that pay for the wars. Am I correct?
Try wracking up a HUGE debt, and then paying off only the interest...
Let me know how healthy that is for your economic situation...

People talk about a "trade deficit" and how bad that is, but here we have a situation where we just pour TRILLIONS of dollars overseas, with NO product to show for it...

But people don't seem that concerned over it...
Perhaps if it were a Democrat who was responsible for it, then you'd see Republican outcry?
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You said the magic words...
Now, proving you a liar is something I will do work for. You DID respond to my post where I gave this poll.
You mean the outdated polls cnredd debunked? I merely responded to you trying to say I wasn't a REAL military family I didn't need to comment on them. So do you have any up to date polls? Post surge?


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I am routinely amazed at how some Republicans can't comprehend the concept of a balanced budget...
Which has nothing to do with what I stated. How about this, the war is being paid for by tax dollars, it's the descritionary spending that is causing the deficits. Why don't we end that?
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