Premature?...

Bush hasn't changed his way of thinking(or talking) for over 4 years now...That's hardly premature...

You're using a tactic that's been used by Bush-haters for years...

Throw something out there day-after-day-after-day-after-day for weeks and months and years...

Then if it actually happens, they say "Told ya." without ever considering anything that's changed between the first time they said it and the current situation...

I'm in the minority who believe's the President should do what right instead of doing what's popular...

Apparently you haven't read the other things in HR 114 that DIDN'T relate to WMDs...

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Premature? Yes--premature. Just because HE's been saying it for years doesn't mean that it's called-for yet. Talk about a tactic! Cons have been using diversion just like this ever since Clinton got elected. And I'M the one that's throwing it out there for years and years and years? This is the second time I've said it in as many days. Yelling "WAR!" re: Iran right now is not prudent. Not at this time.

I'm not a total Bush hater. He has done one thing VERY well while he's been in office: The "do not call" list. Kudos where kudos are due.

As far as the president doing what is right the "do not call" list was the last thing he got right.

And you're right. I haven't read the rest of HR 114 yet. I haven't read any of it yet. I'm giving my opinion on the title of the thread.

This man is under the influence of Satan; he is actually saying he is willing to start a nuclear war just to stop Iran from acquiring nuclear weapon

If a government of a nation which has no regard of international laws or even its own people’s constitutional rights, which invades another nations baste on lies. If this same nation threatens this country, how many people in this country would not be chanting death to that nation?

The man is under the influence of Allah and the prophecy of the 12th Iman who will come after he brings chaos to the world and kills millions of infidels. He is willing to start a nuclear war just to spite the Jews and the big evil America.

If Iran does not have a nuclear weapon how is it gonna be a nuclear war?

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Did the President of Iran threaten to invade the USA? Did Saddam threatened to invade the US?

If you are a thief and don't want to be shot by a home owner, then don't break into his house.

If this government wants to protect this country from terrorism just secure the borders of the USA.

It will be a nuclear war because it will involve other nations, which have nuclear weapons. It's one thing to have a conventional war which basically just involved the one you have a contention with, its another thing to have a nuclear war which WILL kill people in neighboring countries, not to mention economic interest of China and other nations.

Very nearsighted...and here's why...

Radical Islam WILL continue to try and spread itself across the globe whether you want tp hides your eyes or not...

Sitting in our our little gated country not confronting it now will mean the spread of radical Islam will be successful...Country after country will fall to it...We will lose allies to this fundamentalism, and if we were to go your route, the USA would be the ONLY country left not consumed by it...

By that point, it will be 6+ billion against the US(300 million)...Too late to save ourselves...

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Perhaps a brief introduction to Islamic/Radical Jihad is in order here.


Iranian Leadership

The Islamic Republic of Iran was established in 1979 after a populist revolution toppled the Pahlavi monarchy. The Constitution, ratified after the revolution by popular referendum, established a theocratic republic and declared as its purpose the establishment of institutions and a society based on Islamic principles and norms. The Government is dominated by Shi'a Muslim clergy. The Head of State, Ayatollah Ali Khamene'i, is the Supreme Leader of the Islamic Revolution and has direct control over the armed forces, the internal security forces, and the judiciary.

The clear trend in Iran is that the hard-liners have indicated that they don't care what it is that the people want. They believe that they have God on their side, and they are prepared to do "what is necessary" in order to continue with their rule.


"While Islamists have many goals, the ultimate one is establishing a worldwide Caliphate (Islamic state): to overthrow and destroy democratic governments accross the globe and replace them with a single Taliban-style Islamic fundamentalist theocracy. There would be one all-powerful head of state, the Caliph. Individuals would be governed by strict Shariah Law, religion would be for Allah alone, and personal liberty limited by Islamic jurisprudence.

More?

IslamistWatch, World Jihad, Islamic Terrorism

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And what do you think the US was doing when it was proping up and backing every dictator it could get its hands on? The USA is the greastest pervayer of violence around the world, and that's a direct quote from Martin Luther King. Who is going to protect the wold from US dictator ship?




Panama
from the book
The CIAs Greatest Hits
by Mark Zepezauer



For most of his life, Manuel Noriega got along very well with the CIA. As far back as 1959, he was reporting on Panamanian leftists to the Americans; by 1966, he was on the CIA payroll. Despite-or maybe because of-Noriega's "perverse" treatment of prisoners, he was deemed worthy to be trained at the notorious School of the Americas (also known as the "School of Dictators" or the "School of Assassins" ), run by the US Army in Panama City (it's since moved to Ft. Benning, Georgia).
As early as 1972, reports of Noriega's drug trafficking irked the DEA, and the State Department complained of his dealings with other intelligence services, notably those of Israel and Cuba. Don't worry, said the CIA-he's our boy.
In 1976, Noriega paid a visit to CIA Director George Bush in Washington. Bush's successor was less comfortable with Noriega and took him off the CIA payroll, but when Bush became vice-president in 1980, Noriega went back on, with a six-figure annual salary.
In 1981, Panama's popular head of state, Omar Torrijos, was killed in a plane crash; by 1983, Noriega had consolidated his control. In 1987, a close Noriega aide corroborated what many suspected-Noriega had sabotaged Torrijos' plane. (The CIA has also been linked to the assassination, in 1955, of Panama's president, allegedly with the approval of then-Vice-President Nixon).
Nothing Noriega did seemed to upset the CIA. If he smuggled cocaine on contra supply planes ...well, he wasn't the only one. If he beheaded a political opponent who accused him of drug running...well, he was just being firm.
If he used violence and fraud to steal the 1984 Panamanian elections...well, we couldn't have been more pleased with the outcome.
By 1989, however, the love affair was over. Noriega had angered his handlers by waffling on his opposition to the Sandinistas in Nicaragua and he was showing other disquieting signs of disobedience. In December 1989, US troops invaded Panama to "arrest" Noriega, slaughtering 2,000 - 4,000 innocent civilians in the process.
What changed after the invasion? Violence, fraud and drug trafficking continued unabated. But, unlike Noriega, Panama's new rulers knew how to follow orders, and agreed to reconsider the Torrijos treaties, under which all US military bases in Panama would be shut down by the year 2000. (In 1994, Torrijos' and Noriega's old party was voted back in-so look for more CIA sabotage.)

Panama from the book The CIAs Greatest Hits by Mark Zepezauer



Saddam FM 'was on CIA payroll'From correspondents in Washington
March 22, 2006 04:25am

IRAQ'S foreign minister in the Saddam Hussein regime was paid $US100,000 ($139,033) to spy for the CIA before the US-led invasion in 2003, a US television station said today.

In September 2002 Iraq's top diplomat, Naji Sabri, traded information on Hussein's alleged weapons program for cash in a French-sponsored New York City hotel room meeting, NBC reported, citing intelligence sources.
US intelligence agents believed Mr Sabri was fully aware he was selling information to the CIA, it said.

During the meeting, Mr Sabri told the CIA's middleman that Saddam possessed chemical weapons and wanted a nuclear bomb but needed much more time to build one than the CIA estimate of several months to a year.

He also denied Saddam had any biological weapons.

Mr Sabri's tips were thought to be more accurate than the CIA's own guesses on Saddam's arsenal, NBC said.

However, the foreign minister broke off his contacts weeks later after he repeatedly resisted CIA pressures to defect to the US and publicly renounce Saddam, the sources told NBC.

After the US invasion of March 2003, Mr Sabri was not arrested nor included in the notorious "deck of cards" of the US military's most wanted Iraqi suspects.

MR Sabri, who now teaches journalism in Qatar, has turned down repeated requests for comment, NBC said.

Saddam's nuclear, chemical and biological weapons programs were revealed to be non-existent after the war.

A new US military study, based on interviews with jailed members of Saddam's regime, revealed Saddam had tricked even his inner circle into believing he had weapons of mass destruction until shortly before the US-led invasion.

Saddam FM 'was on CIA payroll' | NEWS.com.au


I Volunteer to Kidnap Ollie North
by Michael Levine - ©1992

We Americans have no idea how the image of our great country has suffered throughout the world as a result of our leader's so-called war on drugs. I just returned from an international drug symposium under the auspices of the OGD ( ), where I spent a week listening to representatives—members of police agencies, college professors, bureaucrats, elected officials and journalists—of virtually every nation in the world affected by drug problems, all of whom seemed to have one point of view in common: that the U.S. war on drugs was both a failure and a fraud.

The fact that it is a failure is readily evident on the streets of our country where it is proven in blood every day. The indications that it is a fraud, however, are much more public knowledge around the world than they are right here, where our media has lost its courage to confront political power and continue to be the kind of watchdog over our Constitution that it started to be during the Watergate years.

In Paris when I tried to claim that during much of my career as a DEA agent I believed in what my leaders told me; that our war on drugs really was our number one priority. My international collegues were hard pressed to believe that a twenty-five year, veteran undercover agent for the DEA (Drug Enforcement Administration), could be so ignorant of the facts, so naive. They would stand for no excuses. You took an oath, they said, to bring all those who may have violated your nations drug laws to justice, then why don't you begin by arresting those in your own government who are accused of conspiring with and protecting the biggest drug dealers on the face of the earth?



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The Expert Witness Radio Show with Michael Levine

All of your instances do not lack the perspective of what the consequences would be had we NOT done them...

Backing a dictator that kills 30,000 of his own people in Latin America?...Definitely not a good thing...

But if the OTHER option is to let someone ELSE become a dictator who will kill 300,000 of his own people AND attack America's allies and maybe even attack America itself through rogue elements, then the first option is WAY better...

Just look at Saddam...What do you think would've happened had we not helped him against the war against Iran...

Here's what would've happened...Iran would've won...Iran would take control of the country...Iran would've ethnicly cleansed the Sunni population...Iran would've sold off Iraq's resources and decimated the country...Iran would've gained knowledge from Iraq's existing biochemical and nuclear infrastructures...Iran would now be in range of attacking Israel and Europe with shorter range missiles...The radical leadership of Iran would hold vast more power in the Middle East...Saudi Arabia would easily be overrun by their "new" neighbors...

Understand now?...Stop looking at 5 year increments and start looking at the big picture...Had we not helped Saddam at the time, the current situation would be 10 times greater...if not 100...

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