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Old 01-22-2010, 10:30 AM
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Seems appropriate since a sniper's jobis to send a person to meet their maker.
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It's scary that the company was so incredibly stupid do put those on the guns in the first place. Absolute stupidity, being that the opposition to the troops are facing often have associated our presence as a religious crusade. It could have easily put our troops in more harm's way.
The following two quotes state why General Petreaus was "disturbed" about the inscriptions. The first one also addresses cnredd's VALID concerns that the government was responsible for letting them be used to start with.



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The references to Bible passages raised concerns that the citations break a government rule that bars proselytizing by American troops in Afghanistan and Iraq, which are predominantly Muslim countries.
A spokesman for US Central Command initially said the Trijicon sights did not violate the ban and compared the citations on the sights to the “In God We Trust’’ inscription printed on US currency.
Yesterday, however, Army General David Petraeus, Central Command’s top officer, called the practice “disturbing.’’
“This is a serious concern to me and the other commanders in Iraq and Afghanistan,’’ Petraeus told an audience at the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington.
Firm to remove Bible verses from gun sights - The Boston Globe

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Here's what Petraeus said during an appearance in Washington at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, according to Stars & Stripes:
"It is disturbing. This is a serious concern to me and to the other commanders in Iraq and Afghanistan because it indeed conveys a perception that is absolutely contrary to what we have sought to do."
"There's a reason that we put people through cultural awareness training. I can assure you that there is much greater sensitivity among our troops about this sort of thing than apparently there is from the contractor."
"This is a big concern to the Army and the Marine Corps. They are in some pretty considerable discussions right now about how to deal with that."

Mich. firm to stop embedding Bible verses on military gun sights -

Stuff like this just helps the jihadists convince would-be followers that the US is waging a holy war on their religion. Why give them ammunition (literally) they can use to recruit more?

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It's scary that the company was so incredibly stupid do put those on the guns in the first place. Absolute stupidity, being that the opposition to the troops are facing often have associated our presence as a religious crusade. It could have easily put our troops in more harm's way.
My thoughts as I read this story. I am happy to have read this company will stop it and send kits to remove these markings.

Why in did they do it in the first place? It must have cost the company extra.

As they would have to be with in contracts restraints..
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Based on scriptures from the bible, I don't believe that is what Jesus had in mind.
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Tax payers should not be subsidizing religion period. Religion is already subsidized enough through it's tax exempt status. Just my opinion, but faith will spread like fire on it's own without the help from the government.
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Tax payers should not be subsidizing religion period. Religion is already subsidized enough through it's tax exempt status. Just my opinion, but faith will spread like fire on it's own without the help from the government.
You & Debateman seem to think exactly alike.
http://www.politicalwrinkles.com/war...tml#post116132

Does that mean we should do away with military Chaplains?
Congressional Chaplains?
Congressional prayer room?

That would mean no more prayer rugs or korans for our enemy POWs; right?
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They should replace the verses with one generic motto:
Give your soul to
a) God
b) Allah or
c)Jehovah
cuz yer azz belongs to the USA!!
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You & Debateman seem to think exactly alike.
http://www.politicalwrinkles.com/war...tml#post116132

Does that mean we should do away with military Chaplains?
Congressional Chaplains?
Congressional prayer room?

That would mean no more prayer rugs or korans for our enemy POWs; right?
Yip... That is exactly what it means. The individual has the right to practice their religion, but they do not have the right to be subsidized by the government to do so because the government's role is not to establish or maintain religion.
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Yip... That is exactly what it means. The individual has the right to practice their religion, but they do not have the right to be subsidized by the government to do so because the government's role is not to establish or maintain religion.
Let's go this way...

A man fighting in war on behalf of his government is critically wounded & is likely on his death bed --- does the government have an obligation to provide him with the materials of his religious beliefs (a priest, a prayer blessing, etc) so they can have the peace they might believe comes with that?

Since a soldier is a soldier 24/7 is he allowed to practice religion at all since he's being paid for his duty 24/7?

I know these scenarios sound extreme; but where does it end?

I believe it ends with "make no law."
That also means they cannot prevent one from practicing religion --- & being in certain situations while working for the government you may be in a position not to be able to practice your religion without material help from your employer (the federal government).
Providing religious materials (a service, preist, Bible, etc) isn't making a law that respects an establishment of religion; but denying access to the material goods of ones religion is prohibiting the free exercise thereof.
You cannot confine the religious to their cars, homes & churches & not be in violation of the free exercise clause.
Allowing religion to be practiced everywhere, including public grounds, is not in violation of the establishment clause.
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Let's go this way...

A man fighting in war on behalf of his government is critically wounded & is likely on his death bed --- does the government have an obligation to provide him with the materials of his religious beliefs (a priest, a prayer blessing, etc) so they can have the peace they might believe comes with that?

Since a soldier is a soldier 24/7 is he allowed to practice religion at all since he's being paid for his duty 24/7?

I know these scenarios sound extreme; but where does it end?

I believe it ends with "make no law."
That also means they cannot prevent one from practicing religion --- & being in certain situations while working for the government you may be in a position not to be able to practice your religion without material help from your employer (the federal government).
Providing religious materials (a service, preist, Bible, etc) isn't making a law that respects an establishment of religion; but denying access to the material goods of ones religion is prohibiting the free exercise thereof.
You cannot confine the religious to their cars, homes & churches & not be in violation of the free exercise clause.
Allowing religion to be practiced everywhere, including public grounds, is not in violation of the establishment clause.
No, the government does not have a responsibility to provide that. It chooses to provide that as a COURTESY. No one is denying these men the opportunity to bring a Bible with them, and if they choose to gather together in some sort of service, that is their OPTION. The government is not required to spend money on such things and OFTENTIMES spending money on such this is tantamount the government supporting religion instead of the government keeping his hands out of religion which is essentially what is to be occurring.

And why can't we confine the religious to their cars, homes, and churches? We've done that with smokers. We've done that with several groups. Why is religion so special? AND allowing religion to be practiced everywhere IS a violation because one mans right to practice ends at another mans right not to... and this is why public places are a violation of the establishment clause.
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