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CHICAGO – Former New York City Mayor and rumored gubernatorial candidate Rudy Giuliani said Thursday that President Barack Obama may be facing the first big loss of his presidency because he has not taken strong enough leadership on health care.

Giuliani, [Bin an exclusive interview with POLITICO prior to delivering the keynote address to the second annual GOPAC conference in Chicago, said the president has allowed fears of so-called “death panels” to persist because the White House has not taken a strong enough hand in crafting health care legislation.] [/B]

“They never really studied the legislation that has been proposed,” Giuliani said. “The reason for the concern about the death panels is the legislation and the claim by the president that he will cover thirty to fifty million people without cost, and any time you say it’s without costs you raise a number of concerns.”

“It has to be with cost, because it costs money with every single person that is covered. That cost has to come from somewhere, which means something has to be cut,” the former Republican presidential candidate explained. “So where are you going to decrease services? There is a great fear that it will be by cutting off care for the elderly.”

Like former Alaska GOP Gov. Sarah Palin, Giuliani insisted that some of the president’s “closest advisors” have advocated for the creation of “death panels” to determine the course of treatment for some elderly and infirm Americans.

“If they’re concerned that they’ve created this massive groundswell that is worried about death panels, the only ones they have to blame are themselves,” Giuliani said of the Obama administration. “If they would like to end it, they should change the legislation, remove all these end of life panels, remove these czars and come clean with the American people that it is going to cost them a lot of money.”

From the beginning of the process, the White House has been mindful to not repeat the perceived mistakes the Clinton administration made during the 1994 push for health care in not being flexible enough with congressional leaders. Rather than taking a top-down approach, the Obama administration has left Congressional leaders to take the reins in passing the respective bills and intends to weigh in heavily only as the two chambers hash out a compromise in the conference committee.

Giuliani though, said the White House's hand-off approach has proven flawed, claiming that the president has at times lost control of the debate.

“If the White House had proposed the plan, it would basically be the same plan. But would they have looked better doing it? I think so,” the former Republican mayor said. “My definition of leadership is that’s what you should do. Whether it would have worked better this time or not, I don’t know.”

Read more: Rudy Giuliani: Obama failing to lead - Andy Barr - POLITICO.com

As many of you know...Rudy was my choice for POTUS...though flawed like most of the other candidates,he has great leadership qualities.It's one thing to sell an idea but a true leader will seal the deal.The clock is ticking for Obama,he has not sealed the deal and compromise seems like his only option.
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At least Rudy has the cajones to call a spade a spade. He says there will be a tremendous cost to the American people, but you have obama and congressional leaders like Dingell here in Michigan saying it won't cost a thing.

Now there's an old saying I like, that goes, "you can pee on my leg, but don't try to tell me it's rain." Well, I might not be the brightest person on the planet, but I know that the democratic healthcare bill, whatever it is, will cost the American people a bundle.
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At least Rudy has the cajones to call a spade a spade. He says there will be a tremendous cost to the American people, but you have obama and congressional leaders like Dingell here in Michigan saying it won't cost a thing.

Now there's an old saying I like, that goes, "you can pee on my leg, but don't try to tell me it's rain." Well, I might not be the brightest person on the planet, but I know that the democratic healthcare bill, whatever it is, will cost the American people a bundle.
I think Obama will come away with something,a compromise or two or three or four will be made by him and the D's. Denial of coverage for an existing illness will soon be history.That's progress...it's likely we will also see insurance become portable and new technology to cut down on needless duplication of tests will be implemented. These are common sense changes that are needed but the sweeping changes he wants will not come to pass.I support these changes and fixing only what is broken.We do need reform but an entirely new program is a bridge too far!
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These are common sense changes that are needed but the sweeping changes he wants will not come to pass.I support these changes and fixing only what is broken.We do need reform but an entirely new program is a bridge too far!
I think it's inevitable that something comes out of this. Put to Rudy's point, it will be whatever Nancy and Harry want/can manage because the President has refused to be a leader. Unfortunately there seems to be a pattern here ...
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I think it's inevitable that something comes out of this. Put to Rudy's point, it will be whatever Nancy and Harry want/can manage because the President has refused to be a leader. Unfortunately there seems to be a pattern here ...
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I think it's inevitable that something comes out of this. Put to Rudy's point, it will be whatever Nancy and Harry want/can manage because the President has refused to be a leader. Unfortunately there seems to be a pattern here ...

You're right it will be a radical bill with no reforms, just plain and simple liberal BS because Nancy and Harry want it.
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I just had a conversation at work last night that we, as a nation, really needed to elect a leader & instead we elected a community organizer.
It's like we elected a hospital orderly to do the work of a surgeon.

I think all Americans agree that some sort of reform is needed --- just not what's been put out there.

Think about how we buy car or home owner's insurance.
Neither is tied to our jobs.
Neither is based on a large group --- one size fits all.
Neither pays for every little thing.
When we get a flat, brakes go bad or our muffler gets loud we don't think twice about fixing our vehicle --- And, we don't espect our insurance to pay for it.
Same for our home...
When our roof needs re-shingled or we need a new furnace or hot water heater we take care of it without thinking our insurance will pay for it all.
We shop around for the best value.
If we could go to our insurance agent & purchase our own health insurance in which the market was as wide open as auto or home insurance we would see competition bring prices down.
We would have greater choices to find what best fits our situation.
We already have two government safety nets --- medicare for the elderly & medicaid for the poor --- however, both are a financial drain on our government...definitely needs some sort of reform so they quit bleeding money.
I've heard some folks claim that health incurance/coverage is as much a right as police or fire protection.
The problem with that view is that during economic down times (like now) many cities are cutting those services --- what do they think would happen with healthcare?
Plus, police & fire protection are funded locally; not federally.
Kind of like schools...& many of our public schools are failing...so we'd be at the mercy of geography.
If our government took only what they needed --- cut everything from the federal government budget that doesn't have to do with national security/defense & national infrastructure --- then our federal income tax could be greatly reduced thus giving folks more money to purchase their own health insurance.
Ah...taxes...that's another issue...
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While I might agree that the President hasn't taken the level of leadership I would prefer, I would also like to remind everyone that we have a congress for a reason. It is the legislative branch. They are to design and pass policy. Period. That is not the job of the executive. The job of the executive is to reject such policy when it reaches his desk or consent to the policy and then enforce it.

For a whole bunch of "Constitutionalists" I think you're missing something pretty big when you ascribe legislative power to the POTUS.
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While I might agree that the President hasn't taken the level of leadership I would prefer, I would also like to remind everyone that we have a congress for a reason. It is the legislative branch. They are to design and pass policy. Period. That is not the job of the executive. The job of the executive is to reject such policy when it reaches his desk or consent to the policy and then enforce it.

For a whole bunch of "Constitutionalists" I think you're missing something pretty big when you ascribe legislative power to the POTUS.
While I hear what you're saying, IMHO you're diminishing the role and power of the Presidency. If what you were saying was entirely true one would have to look at every Presidency throughout history and talk instead about the Speaker of the House and Senate Majority Leader at the time. In that case, Tip O'Neil should get credit for the end of the Cold War.
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While I hear what you're saying, IMHO you're diminishing the role and power of the Presidency. If what you were saying was entirely true one would have to look at every Presidency throughout history and talk instead about the Speaker of the House and Senate Majority Leader at the time. In that case, Tip O'Neil should get credit for the end of the Cold War.
It's not an attempt to diminish the role. As I've said in another thread, there is a difference between Constitutional authority and political authority. People like Archbishop Desmond Tutu, Rachel Maddow, Rush Limbaugh, Michael Steele, and Former President Clinton all have a degree of political authority but none have any Constitutional authority.

And unlike many, I think that Tip O'Neil deserves a great deal of credit for his role in bringing an end to the Cold War. He was a guy from a time when elections had consequences. He didn't agree with Reagan on much, but when he crafted policy, he did so with a great deal of integrity. Without Tip O'Neil as at least a part time partner, Reagan couldn't have done what he did.

The United States is more than just one man. Our government is more than just one man. We have a tendency to forget that.

Now do I think that Obama has done an outstanding job on health care? No, as I've said in other threads. I think that he didn't properly work with Nancy and Harry as a "supervisor" on this issue.

It's a tough call. How much of this is REALLY Obama's fault or just perceived to be his fault? I tend to think that he's culpable but not to the extent of others.
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