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pjohns 09-18-2021 06:46 PM

Nancy Pelosi and centrist Democrats
 
It is my understanding that Nancy Pelosi is now putting pressure upon centrist Democrats--Democrats in congressional districts which do not favor massive government spending--to vote for the 3.5 trillion dollar "human infrastructure" bill--even if that would amount to their political suicide.

What I am wondering is this: Why don't these centrist Democrats just tell Nancy Pelosi that they will not be with her on this one, since defying her cannot possibly be more harmful to them than defying their constituents would be?

That really seems like a simple enough equation for me.

AZRWinger 09-19-2021 10:18 AM

Re: Nancy Pelosi and centrist Democrats
 
Democrats who incur Pelosi's wrath face severe punishment such as loss of desirable committee assignments and leadership positions with the ultimate punishment being support for a primary challenger.

pjohns 09-22-2021 11:29 AM

Re: Nancy Pelosi and centrist Democrats
 
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Originally Posted by AZRWinger (Post 1009297)
Democrats who incur Pelosi's wrath face severe punishment such as loss of desirable committee assignments and leadership positions with the ultimate punishment being support for a primary challenger.

That makes sense--for describing the negatives, of incurring her wrath.

But would that really be any worse than doing things that would almost certainly--almost certainly!--result in a loss in the next general election?

(In other words, Nancy Pelosi is asking these centrist Democrats to just fall on their swords, "for the greater good of helping The Party"...)

AZRWinger 09-22-2021 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by pjohns (Post 1009328)
That makes sense--for describing the negatives, of incurring her wrath.

But would that really be any worse than doing things that would almost certainly--almost certainly!--result in a loss in the next general election?

(In other words, Nancy Pelosi is asking these centrist Democrats to just fall on their swords, "for the greater good of helping The Party"...)

The calculation is rank and file Democrats are expendable in service to Marxist Democrats transformation to give themselves permanent power. Pelosi induced gulible Democrat members of Congress to march over the cliff by supporting Obamacare. Next election was a "wave" for Republicans with 70 seats changing party. Obamacare persists today providing an avenue for unlimited Democrat backed meddling by Federal bureaucrats pushing health decrees dealing with eviction moratorium to coercing employers to force employees to get vaccinated. Sacrificing some Congress seats temporarily is on no consequence compared to the power gain of senior Democrats. Besides, every 2 years there is an opportunity to reclaim the seats. :eek

pjohns 09-22-2021 03:55 PM

Re: Nancy Pelosi and centrist Democrats
 
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Originally Posted by AZRWinger (Post 1009329)
The calculation is rank and file Democrats are expendable in service to Marxist Democrats transformation to give themselves permanent power. Pelosi induced gulible Democrat members of Congress to march over the cliff by supporting Obamacare.

I agree with you.

But I am uncertain as to just why these centrist Democrats would see it as being in their best interest to simply "march over the cliff."

Even a mentally impaired second-grader could, presumably, see that this would not be a wise choice...

cnredd 09-22-2021 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by pjohns (Post 1009332)
I agree with you.

But I am uncertain as to just why these centrist Democrats would see it as being in their best interest to simply "march over the cliff."

Even a mentally impaired second-grader could, presumably, see that this would not be a wise choice...

I can't speak for the House centrist Dems, but Senators Senoma and Manchin are in purple states where things could teeter against them if they go too far in either direction...They HAVE to play the middle...I imagine some centrist Democrats are in the same position...:yes

pjohns 09-22-2021 05:26 PM

Re: Nancy Pelosi and centrist Democrats
 
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Originally Posted by cnredd (Post 1009333)
I can't speak for the House centrist Dems, but Senators Senoma and Manchin are in purple states where things could teeter against them if they go too far in either direction...

Well, Arizona--once a reliably red state--is now a purple state.

But West Virginia--after flirting with blue status during the Clinton years--has voted Republican in every presidential election since going blue in 1996.

cnredd 09-22-2021 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by pjohns (Post 1009334)
Well, Arizona--once a reliably red state--is now a purple state.

But West Virginia--after flirting with blue status during the Clinton years--has voted Republican in every presidential election since going blue in 1996.

Manchin makes the West Virginia Senators purple....Yes, he's an anomaly statewide, but that makes it MUCH more important he doesn't swing anywhere near the Left...One false move and he loses by 20...:yes

AZRWinger 09-23-2021 08:55 AM

Re: Nancy Pelosi and centrist Democrats
 
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Originally Posted by pjohns (Post 1009334)
Well, Arizona--once a reliably red state--is now a purple state.

But West Virginia--after flirting with blue status during the Clinton years--has voted Republican in every presidential election since going blue in 1996.

Arizona became a purple state due to the Republican infatuation with Martha McSally for Senate. She has a strong life story but she isn't a good candidate as multiple failed Senate runs show.

Long time Senator John McCain dedicated a lot of his energy to installing loyalists throughout the state Republican party. His efforts were so successful he was able to install his puppet Jeff Flake as the junior Senator from AZ. After McCain died Flake conducted a disasterous campaign of attacking President Trump including keeping council with hyperpartisan Democrats. To the dismay of McCain loyalists Flake on his own was so unpopular he was forced to withdraw from the primary. This left the Republican old guard in disarray creating an opening for Democrat Kirsten Sinema and later Mark Kelly.:thumbsup

Sinema has positioned herself as a moderate in the face of militant Democrats Marxist devotion to fundamental transformation. It's a strategy that could get her reelected but ostracized from the national Democrat party. :eek

pjohns 09-23-2021 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by AZRWinger (Post 1009346)
After McCain died Flake conducted a disasterous campaign of attacking President Trump including keeping council with hyperpartisan Democrats.

John McCain died of brain cancer on August 25, 2018--just over three years ago.

But Jeff Flake left the Senate on January 3, 2013.

So if he conducted any campaign, after John McCain died, of attacking then-President Trump, it was certainly not from the Senate floor.


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