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The problem is not only the chronology but the players are jumbled up to fit a false narrative. Osama got his start recruiting and fund raising for the Mujahadin fighting the Soviets in Afghanistan. Osama returned from the war as a hero despite having seen very little combat. Independent of the Mujahadin Osama started Al Qaeda as a militant organization promoting pan Arab ideals. After the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait threatened Osama's native Saudi Arabia his offer to protect the kingdom was rebuffed in favor of the US military. He ended up fleeing the Saudis for Sudan where he began organizing and underwriting terrorist attacks on the US. Later under U.S pressure the Sudanese government expelled him so he moved Al Qaeda operations planning to the Taliban controlled Afghanistan. So there is no evidence US support for the Mujahadin fighting the Soviets led to the creation of Al Qaeda.
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No, you are confusing the Mujahadin and the Taliban, they are not the same.
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Some just want to be part of the "blame America" crew, so they're playing 493 degrees to Kevin Bacon with this...
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Would the Taliban have allowed a woman to be in that meeting with them?


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The Reagan photo is with the Mujahadin not the Taliban.

You're quoting the founder of the Trilateral commission blaming US intelligence for Al Qaeda? Osama didn't start plotting attacks against the West until after the Saudis rejected his offer to defend them against Sadam. You think US intelligence supported Osama attacking US interests? Nonsense.
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The Reagan photo is with the Mujahadin not the Taliban.

You're quoting the founder of the Trilateral commission blaming US intelligence for Al Qaeda? Osama didn't start plotting attacks against the West until after the Saudis rejected his offer to defend them against Sadam. You think US intelligence supported Osama attacking US interests? Nonsense.
whatever helps you keep your polyanna view of "America" AZ.

"the Muslim terrorist apparatus was created by U.S. intelligence."
When the guy that Help start it all, strait up SAYS we did it and you still don't believe it . well that's says more about you than "America".


I will say this though.
Do i believe the evidence shows that the U.S. micro-managed the Mujahadin, the Taliban or Bin laden and AQ?
No.
Do i believe the U.S. found some sick skinny mad dogs and feed them, groomed them, armed them, encouraged them, and pointed them in various directions each step of the way when they could, and made them what they grew into?
Yes.

here's a simple question for you AZ.
If the U.S. had not created and financed the Mujahadin and friends ,which included people that became the Taliban and AQ like Bin Laden,
would they have become the problem they became?

can you answer that honestly?
somehow i doubt it.
It might break your brain to think the U.S. (or the cops) are capable of creating a decades long S--t shows or supporting people as dark as Muslim terrorist.
it ALL must be someone else's fault. America's hands are all clean.
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The Reagan photo is with the Mujahadin not the Taliban.

You're quoting the founder of the Trilateral commission blaming US intelligence for Al Qaeda? Osama didn't start plotting attacks against the West until after the Saudis rejected his offer to defend them against Sadam. You think US intelligence supported Osama attacking US interests? Nonsense.
its their M. O.
they trained terrorists in Cuba in the 60s too
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its their M. O.
they trained terrorists in Cuba in the 60s too
the CIA Trained terrorist/military ALL OVER South America. From the 40s thru the
the 80s and 90s
the "School of the Americas" Etc.
Death Squads , massacres , rapes, tortures, assassinations etc.. 10s of thousands disappeared and/or killed.
They were called "freedom fighters" then too. Or Good American anti-commie military dictators and military.


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https://truthout.org/articles/the-sc...luding-mexico/
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the CIA Trained terrorist/military ALL OVER South America. From the 40s thru the
the 80s and 90s
the "School of the Americas" Etc.
Death Squads , massacres , rapes, tortures, assassinations etc.. 10s of thousands disappeared and/or killed.
They were called "freedom fighters" then too. Or Good American anti-commie military dictators and military.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUtumGk0E6Q
https://truthout.org/articles/the-sc...luding-mexico/
Americans have a great denial system.
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Americans have a great denial system.
Are there any countries in the world that don't?
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whatever helps you keep your polyanna view of "America" AZ.

"the Muslim terrorist apparatus was created by U.S. intelligence."
When the guy that Help start it all, strait up SAYS we did it and you still don't believe it . well that's says more about you than "America".


I will say this though.
Do i believe the evidence shows that the U.S. micro-managed the Mujahadin, the Taliban or Bin laden and AQ?
No.
Do i believe the U.S. found some sick skinny mad dogs and feed them, groomed them, armed them, encouraged them, and pointed them in various directions each step of the way when they could, and made them what they grew into?
Yes.

here's a simple question for you AZ.
If the U.S. had not created and financed the Mujahadin and friends ,which included people that became the Taliban and AQ like Bin Laden,
would they have become the problem they became?

can you answer that honestly?
somehow i doubt it.
It might break your brain to think the U.S. (or the cops) are capable of creating a decades long S--t shows or supporting people as dark as Muslim terrorist.
it ALL must be someone else's fault. America's hands are all clean.
The comment reflects an ignorance of Afghanistan's history of guerilla warfare against invaders, which dates back to before the time of Alexander the Great. US support didn't create the Mujahadin they are the descendants of a long line of Afghan fighters predating the formation of the US by centuries.

Osama was drawn to support the Mujahadin out of his Wahhabist conviction the Soviets were infidel invaders of the new Caliphate. It's the same conviction he applied to justify a campaign of terror against the US when the Saudis invited the US military to protect them and the holy sites from Sadam. To Osama the US were infidel invaders not benefactors and directors controlled by the CIA.

So no, the US didn't create the Mujahadin, they were given short term support until the Soviets left Afghanistan. The US didnít create or support the Taliban. The US didn't create or support Al Qaeda Osama benefitted indirectly from US support of the Mujahadin but that was before he decided to declare jihad against the West.
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The comment reflects an ignorance of Afghanistan's history of guerilla warfare against invaders, which dates back to before the time of Alexander the Great. US support didn't create the Mujahadin they are the descendants of a long line of Afghan fighters predating the formation of the US by centuries.

Osama was drawn to support the Mujahadin out of his Wahhabist conviction the Soviets were infidel invaders of the new Caliphate. It's the same conviction he applied to justify a campaign of terror against the US when the Saudis invited the US military to protect them and the holy sites from Sadam. To Osama the US were infidel invaders not benefactors and directors controlled by the CIA.

So no, the US didn't create the Mujahadin, they were given short term support until the Soviets left Afghanistan. The US didnít create or support the Taliban. The US didn't create or support Al Qaeda Osama benefitted indirectly from US support of the Mujahadin but that was before he decided to declare jihad against the West.
Afghanistan has never been a solid nation. villages and warlords.
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Afghanistan has never been a solid nation. villages and warlords.
Agreed, Afghanistan is a collection of competing tribes just like the model of identity group politics Biden Democrats are promoting. The only sure way to achieve some measure of unity is a crisis preferably from a foreign threat.
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