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Dems love the police when they are protecting them and attacking their enemies. Enforcing draconian rules that will SAVE US ALL.
At least Republicans are honest and sincere about their affection and support of police... if not a police state.


The Capitol Police, Armed With $2 Billion in New Funding, Expanding Operations Outside of D.C.
AOC and two other Squad members -- who spent months chanting "Defund the Police" -- had the power to stop this, but instead voted "present" to ensure it passed.
Greenwald behind paywall https://greenwald.substack.com/p/the...with-2-billion
$1.9 billion Capitol security bill barely passes the House after 6 Democrats — including AOC and Ilhan Omar — defect
The House on Thursday barely passed a $1.9 billion bill to bolster Capitol security after six progressive Democrats refused to support the legislation.
The legislation passed with 213 Democrats in support and 209 Republicans against it. The bill would pay for expenses related to the January 6 Capitol riot and boost security at the building. Three Democrats — Reps. Cori Bush, Ayanna Pressley, and Ilhan Omar — voted against the legislation, while three other progressives — Reps. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, Jamaal Bowman, and Rashida Tlaib — voted "present."
"Like many of us in the Capitol community, I am still shaken by the violence and terror that day and the tragedies in its aftermath," Rep. Rose DeLauro, a Connecticut Democrat, said on Thursday. "Congress owes it to every single person who works in or visits the United States Capitol, to provide funding to recover, rebuild, and keep all who serve in teh legislative branch safe, healthy, and secure."
https://www.businessinsider.com/6-de...ty-bill-2021-5
Capitol Police to open field offices in California and Florida to help investigate threats against lawmakers
By Cassidy McDonald
Updated on: July 8, 2021 / 1:30 PM / CBS News
The U.S. Capitol Police announced this week that they plan to open regional field offices in California and Florida as part of an ongoing effort to better investigate threats against members of Congress.
Threats have surged in recent years against U.S. lawmakers, a group the Capitol Police are charged with protecting, and the Capitol Police Inspector General has repeatedly recommended the agency transform its posture to be more proactive.
A spokesperson for the Capitol Police said the field offices were part the department's ongoing efforts to operate more like a protective agency, such as the Secret Service, rather than a traditional, reactive police department.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/january...da-california/
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Dems love the police when they are protecting them and attacking their enemies. Enforcing draconian rules that will SAVE US ALL.
At least Republicans are honest and sincere about their affection and support of police... if not a police state.


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Odd how "an affection for the police" on the part of Republicans translates to a desire for a police state.

Republicans want law an order. They support local police efforts to enforce our laws. The difference between that and a "Police State"is huge.
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Odd how "an affection for the police" on the part of Republicans translates to a desire for a police state.

Republicans want law an order. They support local police efforts to enforce our laws. The difference between that and a "Police State"is huge.
And if the laws are unconstitutional?
Ok look,
Desire for a police state and Inadvertently Allowing one into existence becasue of outsized respect for Police and Military is the distinction i'd make franc.
I'd say most republicans would fall into the 2nd camp.

Putting "law and order" and "safety" in front of constitutional freedoms.
Not seeing issues as "police state" policies, just pragmatic. .. and enforcing the laws... no matter how unconstitutional they may be. (lockdowns?)
Making a few "reasonable" exceptions to the clarity of the constitutional outlines .... becasue it's more pragmatic and safe.. you know, law and order. "can't handcuff the police" and the like.
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And if the laws are unconstitutional?
Ok look,
Desire for a police state and Inadvertently Allowing one into existence becasue of outsized respect for Police and Military is the distinction i'd make franc.
I'd say most republicans would fall into the 2nd camp.

Putting "law and order" and "safety" in front of constitutional freedoms.
Not seeing issues as "police state" policies, just pragmatic. .. and enforcing the laws... no matter how unconstitutional they may be. (lockdowns?)
Making a few "reasonable" exceptions to the clarity of the constitutional outlines .... becasue it's more pragmatic and safe.. you know, law and order. "can't handcuff the police" and the like.
On January 6th capital police held the doors open for protesters to enter, fatally shot an unarmed protester and escorted news crews to video the event. Now they want to expand this politicized law enforcement nationwide.

Under the Biden administration the Capitol remains ringed with razor wire topped fencing while peaceful protests are banned. DC is patrolled by combat equipped troops vetted for political loyalty by the FBI. Expansion of this Marxist police state is what the additional $2 billion pays for.
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And if the laws are unconstitutional?
Ok look,
Desire for a police state and Inadvertently Allowing one into existence becasue of outsized respect for Police and Military is the distinction i'd make franc.
I'd say most republicans would fall into the 2nd camp.

Putting "law and order" and "safety" in front of constitutional freedoms.
Not seeing issues as "police state" policies, just pragmatic. .. and enforcing the laws... no matter how unconstitutional they may be. (lockdowns?)
Making a few "reasonable" exceptions to the clarity of the constitutional outlines .... becasue it's more pragmatic and safe.. you know, law and order. "can't handcuff the police" and the like.
If the laws are unconstitutional? It is not for the police to decide. Or the citizen. It's the purpose of the Court system.

What a frivolous question.

Our legislature determines the laws. If they are unconstitutional it is not up to the police to decide what to enforce.

There will be disagreements and discourse, but there is a system to resolve such matters. Not always to the liking of either party much less both.
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On January 6th capital police held the doors open for protesters to enter, fatally shot an unarmed protester and escorted news crews to video the event. Now they want to expand this politicized law enforcement nationwide.

Under the Biden administration the Capitol remains ringed with razor wire topped fencing while peaceful protests are banned. DC is patrolled by combat equipped troops vetted for political loyalty by the FBI. Expansion of this Marxist police state is what the additional $2 billion pays for.
So much for the Constitution and the enforcement of the law.

The Conservatives do not want a police state. The Democrats and their allies, including some Deep state Republicans, do.

Ironically, it would seem the radicals want to defund local police authority and expand that of the Federal government. Not exactly in line with the Founding Fathers attempt at "....a limited Government."
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One question, how many here think Torture and indefinite detention are NOT police state activities?
Warrentless surveillance mandated by WBush and all loudly supported by the right?
What about "free speech zones" which every admin since Reagan has used against protesters like those on the 6th and those protesters most here wouldn't agree with?
Trump had extra fences up at the White house as well
And he wanted the military in the streets to stop the wild protesters as well as the Biden admin..


Torture
indefinite detention
Warrentless surveillance
warrentless searches
"Free Speech zones"
extra Fences and military at the president's house and congress
2 admins in a row calling for military to go to the streets police groups they don't like.
police check points "Papers Please" randomly across the country.
Vaccine pasports in the pipeline to work or go to school.


Fellas be brutally honest here with this, both sides have got their hands in police state activities.
and it's just getting layered one on another every year, partisan excuses and finger pointing are BS.
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If the laws are unconstitutional? It is not for the police to decide. Or the citizen. It's the purpose of the Court system.

What a frivolous question.

Our legislature determines the laws. If they are unconstitutional it is not up to the police to decide what to enforce.

There will be disagreements and discourse, but there is a system to resolve such matters. Not always to the liking of either party much less both.
so if the law says take all guns, then the police (the police state?) will just enforce the law.
and it's frivolous to assume that police might choose NOT to obey.
And you and all the "law and order" conservatives will gladly obey the law. because, well, you're a good law abiding citizen and don't understand people that would do otherwise.

then you'll all patiently wait for the courts to fix the problem and get your guns back.
Because it's the law.. and not a "police state".

fine i got ya.
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Dems love the police when they are protecting them and attacking their enemies. Enforcing draconian rules that will SAVE US ALL.
At least Republicans are honest and sincere about their affection and support of police... if not a police state.


The Capitol Police, Armed With $2 Billion in New Funding, Expanding Operations Outside of D.C.
AOC and two other Squad members -- who spent months chanting "Defund the Police" -- had the power to stop this, but instead voted "present" to ensure it passed.
Greenwald behind paywall https://greenwald.substack.com/p/the...with-2-billion
$1.9 billion Capitol security bill barely passes the House after 6 Democrats — including AOC and Ilhan Omar — defect
The House on Thursday barely passed a $1.9 billion bill to bolster Capitol security after six progressive Democrats refused to support the legislation.
The legislation passed with 213 Democrats in support and 209 Republicans against it. The bill would pay for expenses related to the January 6 Capitol riot and boost security at the building. Three Democrats — Reps. Cori Bush, Ayanna Pressley, and Ilhan Omar — voted against the legislation, while three other progressives — Reps. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, Jamaal Bowman, and Rashida Tlaib — voted "present."
"Like many of us in the Capitol community, I am still shaken by the violence and terror that day and the tragedies in its aftermath," Rep. Rose DeLauro, a Connecticut Democrat, said on Thursday. "Congress owes it to every single person who works in or visits the United States Capitol, to provide funding to recover, rebuild, and keep all who serve in teh legislative branch safe, healthy, and secure."
https://www.businessinsider.com/6-de...ty-bill-2021-5
Capitol Police to open field offices in California and Florida to help investigate threats against lawmakers
By Cassidy McDonald
Updated on: July 8, 2021 / 1:30 PM / CBS News
The U.S. Capitol Police announced this week that they plan to open regional field offices in California and Florida as part of an ongoing effort to better investigate threats against members of Congress.
Threats have surged in recent years against U.S. lawmakers, a group the Capitol Police are charged with protecting, and the Capitol Police Inspector General has repeatedly recommended the agency transform its posture to be more proactive.
A spokesperson for the Capitol Police said the field offices were part the department's ongoing efforts to operate more like a protective agency, such as the Secret Service, rather than a traditional, reactive police department.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/january...da-california/
MAGAs love police except when they are capitol police who are defending Republican and Democrat officials.
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MAGAs love police except when they are capitol police who are defending Republican and Democrat officials.
The Capitol police did such a fine job defending the Capitol by ignoring intelligence warning of potential trouble and held doors open for rioters to enter. In honor of the fine job they did the chief of the Capitol police was forced to resign. Certainly their performance justifies opening branch offices to "investigate" anyone deemed an enemy by Marxist Democrats.

As long as it doesn't threaten their personal comfort or perceived safety Democrats love rioters as they burn, loot and violently attack police and civilization as show by their support for prosecutors dropping charges or agreeing to so-called alternatives to prosecution. VP Harris even contributed to bail funds for the Marxist thugs and encouraged others to do likewise.
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