Political Wrinkles  

Go Back   Political Wrinkles > Political Forums > US Congress & The Legislative Branch
Register FAQDonate PW Store PW Trivia Members List Calendar Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

US Congress & The Legislative Branch Discuss H.R. 6666: COVID-19 Testing, Reaching, And Contacting Everyone (TRACE) Act at the Political Forums; Just how in your face are they at this point? It's like a SNL mocking joke of the "conspiracy theorist" ...

Reply
 
Share LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1 (permalink)  
Old 05-12-2020, 08:15 PM
mr wonder's Avatar
PW Enlightenment
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Virginia
Gender: Male
Posts: 12,717
Thanks: 10,929
Thanked 7,005 Times in 4,719 Posts
Default H.R. 6666: COVID-19 Testing, Reaching, And Contacting Everyone (TRACE) Act

Just how in your face are they at this point?
It's like a SNL mocking joke of the "conspiracy theorist"
But sure, hey, it's just a name , probably tongue in cheek just to poke fun at the tin foil hat people that said the go'vt will make laws to track and "trace" people.
Those Crazy people.
I mean look, people should just listen to the doctors and obey the gov't. amiright? If you've got nothing to hide. Then the gov't should track your health and every movement and all your personal contacts, right? it's for OUR safety.
......

joking aside. the Bill is just another part of the surveillance state being built around us.
There's no science of virology that makes this make sense. none.
It's simply a lame excuse that they KNOW many people will swallow and like it becasue they are AFRAID.

they want to create an army of neighborhood snitches. Who can tell folks when and how to quarantine.
Made up of Neighborhood health clinics, Schools -public and private-, non-profits, Churches, etc... all paid by the feds gov't.

as I calmly post this here inside my hair is on fire, partly becasue I've seen this movie, and have been pointing to this kind of thing for decades now, while being called, extreme, paranoid, conspiracy theorist, America hater and crazy.
and because as i post this now I'm pretty sure some here... and MANY other Americans... will assume and SAY that there's some NEED for this. And that it's "reasonable" and won't be abused and it's just "temporary" and something the gov't has a right to do.
Despite history and the crystal clear language of the constitution bill of rights to the contrary. Not to mention it's conflict with science and common sense.

I don't have time to discuss right now,
So anyway as Rod Serling used to say
"Submitted for Your Approval..."
H.R. 6666: COVID-19 Testing, Reaching, And Contacting Everyone (TRACE) Act
"This bill would provide $100 billion in grants to faith-based organization, clinics, medical centers, and other organization which perform testing for COVID–19, tracing of exposure to COVID–19, or services for individuals who are isolating at home. The funding could be used to pay their staff or purchase personal protective equipment to protect their staff.
No provision in this bill would make testing or quarantining mandatory. The bill includes privacy protections for the medical information of individuals that would limit how grantee organizations could share information collected with the federal government. (A large-scale disinformation campaign has made absurd claims about this bill.)"

"...To authorize the Secretary of Health and Human Services to award grants to eligible entities to conduct diagnostic testing for COVID–19, and related activities such as contact tracing, through mobile health units and, as necessary, at individuals’ residences, and for other purposes....
...Nothing in this section shall be construed to supersede any Federal privacy or confidentiality requirement, including the regulations promulgated under section ....
...such sums as may be necessary for each of fiscal year 2021 and any subsequent fiscal year during which the emergency period continues...

Sponsor's statement: https://rush.house.gov/media-center/...on-coronavirus
https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bil...hr6666/summary
https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/116/hr6666/text
I do have 2 quick questions?
Can someone tell me how the govt can trace "everyone's" health and movements and contacts without personal information?
And
Who gets to say when the war on terror !COUGH!... i mean... the medical emergency period is over?

__________________
Hope is the dream of the waking man.
Aristotle

For there is hope of a tree, if it be cut down, that it will sprout again, and that the tender branch thereof will not cease.
Job 14:6-8
Reply With Quote
The Following 5 Users Say Thank You to mr wonder For This Useful Post:
  #2 (permalink)  
Old 05-13-2020, 05:22 AM
GetAClue's Avatar
PW Enlightenment
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Northern Ohio
Gender: Male
Posts: 5,619
Thanks: 8,057
Thanked 5,651 Times in 3,223 Posts
Default Re: H.R. 6666: COVID-19 Testing, Reaching, And Contacting Everyone (TRACE) Act

This is just another step that the left is taking to have complete control over your lives. They know that fear will lead the weak at mind to give up their liberties for some semblance of safety. I am just amazed how quickly they have become comfortable with telling people how much of their freedoms they are looking to curtail. If this had been 15-20 years ago, these people would have been sent home rather quickly. It's sad and quite scary how uninformed and frightened the American people have become.
__________________
To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead - Thomas Paine

A lie doesn't become truth, a wrong doesn't become right, and Evil doesn't become good, just because it is accepted by the majority. - Booker T Washington
Reply With Quote
The Following 6 Users Say Thank You to GetAClue For This Useful Post:
  #3 (permalink)  
Old 05-15-2020, 08:01 AM
Conservative Sage
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Scottsdale, AZ
Posts: 18,286
Thanks: 11,656
Thanked 12,491 Times in 7,346 Posts
Send a message via ICQ to AZRWinger
Default Re: H.R. 6666: COVID-19 Testing, Reaching, And Contacting Everyone (TRACE) Act

Quote:
Originally Posted by GetAClue View Post
This is just another step that the left is taking to have complete control over your lives. They know that fear will lead the weak at mind to give up their liberties for some semblance of safety. I am just amazed how quickly they have become comfortable with telling people how much of their freedoms they are looking to curtail. If this had been 15-20 years ago, these people would have been sent home rather quickly. It's sad and quite scary how uninformed and frightened the American people have become.
I agree that it is sad we don't appear to have learned the lessons of the past where the Federal government manipulated crisis to expand its power. I am confident that just as the people eventually rejected FDR'S dictatorial Presidency for life and mass incarceration by executive decree they will repudiate state Governors attempting to impose repressive martial law .
__________________
What is a 30 something year old single man with a rock in one hand and a Honduran flag in the other?

An asylum seeker.
Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to AZRWinger For This Useful Post:
  #4 (permalink)  
Old 05-15-2020, 09:45 AM
FrancSevin's Avatar
Runs with scissors
 
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: St Louis MO
Gender: Male
Posts: 14,443
Thanks: 9,750
Thanked 13,221 Times in 7,258 Posts
Default Re: H.R. 6666: COVID-19 Testing, Reaching, And Contacting Everyone (TRACE) Act

I would suggest a refresher course on Articles IV and V of the bill of rights.
__________________
I am going to hang a Batman Costume in my closet. .......... Just to screw with myself when I get alzheimer's.
sola gratia, sola fide, sola scriptura.

I AM NOT A REPUBLICAN, I AM A FREEMAN, THE DEMOCRATS WORST NIGHTMARE
Reply With Quote
  #5 (permalink)  
Old 05-15-2020, 10:51 AM
GetAClue's Avatar
PW Enlightenment
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Northern Ohio
Gender: Male
Posts: 5,619
Thanks: 8,057
Thanked 5,651 Times in 3,223 Posts
Default Re: H.R. 6666: COVID-19 Testing, Reaching, And Contacting Everyone (TRACE) Act

Quote:
Originally Posted by FrancSevin View Post
I would suggest a refresher course on Articles IV and V of the bill of rights.
Refresher? It would be my guess that if you queried people now about the aforementioned articles, a vast majority would most likely respond with "What is the Bill of Rights?" That is not an indictment of the American people in general, but an acknowledgement that our educational system has been destroyed by the progressives and the NEA.
__________________
To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead - Thomas Paine

A lie doesn't become truth, a wrong doesn't become right, and Evil doesn't become good, just because it is accepted by the majority. - Booker T Washington
Reply With Quote
The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to GetAClue For This Useful Post:
  #6 (permalink)  
Old 05-18-2020, 07:07 AM
saltwn's Avatar
PW Enlightenment
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Esto perpetua
Posts: 82,233
Thanks: 55,769
Thanked 26,396 Times in 18,902 Posts
Send a message via AIM to saltwn Send a message via MSN to saltwn Send a message via Yahoo to saltwn
Default Re: H.R. 6666: COVID-19 Testing, Reaching, And Contacting Everyone (TRACE) Act

Quote:
Originally Posted by mr wonder View Post
Just how in your face are they at this point?
It's like a SNL mocking joke of the "conspiracy theorist"
But sure, hey, it's just a name , probably tongue in cheek just to poke fun at the tin foil hat people that said the go'vt will make laws to track and "trace" people.
Those Crazy people.
I mean look, people should just listen to the doctors and obey the gov't. amiright? If you've got nothing to hide. Then the gov't should track your health and every movement and all your personal contacts, right? it's for OUR safety.
......

joking aside. the Bill is just another part of the surveillance state being built around us.
There's no science of virology that makes this make sense. none.
It's simply a lame excuse that they KNOW many people will swallow and like it becasue they are AFRAID.

they want to create an army of neighborhood snitches. Who can tell folks when and how to quarantine.
Made up of Neighborhood health clinics, Schools -public and private-, non-profits, Churches, etc... all paid by the feds gov't.

as I calmly post this here inside my hair is on fire, partly becasue I've seen this movie, and have been pointing to this kind of thing for decades now, while being called, extreme, paranoid, conspiracy theorist, America hater and crazy.
and because as i post this now I'm pretty sure some here... and MANY other Americans... will assume and SAY that there's some NEED for this. And that it's "reasonable" and won't be abused and it's just "temporary" and something the gov't has a right to do.
Despite history and the crystal clear language of the constitution bill of rights to the contrary. Not to mention it's conflict with science and common sense.

I don't have time to discuss right now,
So anyway as Rod Serling used to say
"Submitted for Your Approval..."
H.R. 6666: COVID-19 Testing, Reaching, And Contacting Everyone (TRACE) Act
"This bill would provide $100 billion in grants to faith-based organization, clinics, medical centers, and other organization which perform testing for COVID–19, tracing of exposure to COVID–19, or services for individuals who are isolating at home. The funding could be used to pay their staff or purchase personal protective equipment to protect their staff.
No provision in this bill would make testing or quarantining mandatory. The bill includes privacy protections for the medical information of individuals that would limit how grantee organizations could share information collected with the federal government. (A large-scale disinformation campaign has made absurd claims about this bill.)"

"...To authorize the Secretary of Health and Human Services to award grants to eligible entities to conduct diagnostic testing for COVID–19, and related activities such as contact tracing, through mobile health units and, as necessary, at individuals’ residences, and for other purposes....
...Nothing in this section shall be construed to supersede any Federal privacy or confidentiality requirement, including the regulations promulgated under section ....
...such sums as may be necessary for each of fiscal year 2021 and any subsequent fiscal year during which the emergency period continues...

Sponsor's statement: https://rush.house.gov/media-center/...on-coronavirus
https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bil...hr6666/summary
https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/116/hr6666/text
I do have 2 quick questions?
Can someone tell me how the govt can trace "everyone's" health and movements and contacts without personal information?
And
Who gets to say when the war on terror !COUGH!... i mean... the medical emergency period is over?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36EdTXY2nUs
When a human contracts syphilis or evolved forms of it, they are asked for all sexual contacts. That information is given to local authorities who contact everyone and get their contacts. It's been that way for decades.
If there was an outbreak of measles or TB you would get the same treatment as would your contacts.
All those old diseases are somewhat controlled now for years so people are not used to volunteering this kind of information but it does help contain & shorten outbreaks.
Meanwhile:
Calm down
Breath
__________________
A Wop Bop a Loo Bop a Lop Bam Boom!
Reply With Quote
  #7 (permalink)  
Old 05-18-2020, 08:00 AM
GottaGo's Avatar
Sanity is overrated.
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Miles to go before I sleep
Posts: 13,129
Thanks: 11,281
Thanked 9,403 Times in 5,811 Posts
Default Re: H.R. 6666: COVID-19 Testing, Reaching, And Contacting Everyone (TRACE) Act

Quote:
Originally Posted by saltwn View Post
When a human contracts syphilis or evolved forms of it, they are asked for all sexual contacts. That information is given to local authorities who contact everyone and get their contacts. It's been that way for decades.
If there was an outbreak of measles or TB you would get the same treatment as would your contacts.
All those old diseases are somewhat controlled now for years so people are not used to volunteering this kind of information but it does help contain & shorten outbreaks.
Meanwhile:
Calm down
Breath
While I wholly disagree with the demand of contact information, you are missing a very large, obvious point.

Sexual contact is limited to... sexual contact. A voluntary action.

COVID 19 and any of it's ilk, are not voluntary, and are not spread only via personal, intimate contact.

The idea to collect 'contact' information, is vague at best, considering someone who is carrying COVID 19 and may not know it, may literally walk by someone and not know who it is.

For this idea that the government could backtrace any contacts, would involve what? Mass security cameras over the entire country, fed into one huge databank, that could identify a person by facial recognition, therefore tracking every single person in this country?

Do you even have one glimmer of a hint what would not only be involved to do this, but that every single right of a citizen would be wiped out? No expectation of privacy anywhere, even in your own home. Being tracked by cameras. Strangers, family members, neighbors, possibly reporting on you for possible breaches of 'contact'.

What could possibly go wrong?
__________________
Your life is the sum total of the choices you make.
If you don't laugh at yourself, a whole bunch of people will volunteer to do it for you
I never lose. I either win, or I learn....
Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to GottaGo For This Useful Post:
  #8 (permalink)  
Old 05-18-2020, 12:23 PM
Dog Man's Avatar
Down Boy!
 
Join Date: May 2013
Location: Southern Nevada
Gender: Male
Posts: 12,878
Thanks: 6,216
Thanked 6,431 Times in 4,375 Posts
Default Re: H.R. 6666: COVID-19 Testing, Reaching, And Contacting Everyone (TRACE) Act

Quote:
Originally Posted by GottaGo View Post
While I wholly disagree with the demand of contact information, you are missing a very large, obvious point.

Sexual contact is limited to... sexual contact. A voluntary action.

COVID 19 and any of it's ilk, are not voluntary, and are not spread only via personal, intimate contact.

The idea to collect 'contact' information, is vague at best, considering someone who is carrying COVID 19 and may not know it, may literally walk by someone and not know who it is.

For this idea that the government could backtrace any contacts, would involve what? Mass security cameras over the entire country, fed into one huge databank, that could identify a person by facial recognition, therefore tracking every single person in this country?

Do you even have one glimmer of a hint what would not only be involved to do this, but that every single right of a citizen would be wiped out? No expectation of privacy anywhere, even in your own home. Being tracked by cameras. Strangers, family members, neighbors, possibly reporting on you for possible breaches of 'contact'.

What could possibly go wrong?
I believe that the people that are for using this, also believe it will only be used to track COVID.
__________________
The socialist / Leftist fringe, now controls the Democrat party. Unfortunately the moderate/Liberal left, doesn't realize it.
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Dog Man For This Useful Post:
  #9 (permalink)  
Old 05-18-2020, 12:59 PM
GetAClue's Avatar
PW Enlightenment
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Northern Ohio
Gender: Male
Posts: 5,619
Thanks: 8,057
Thanked 5,651 Times in 3,223 Posts
Default Re: H.R. 6666: COVID-19 Testing, Reaching, And Contacting Everyone (TRACE) Act

Quote:
Originally Posted by GottaGo View Post
While I wholly disagree with the demand of contact information, you are missing a very large, obvious point.

Sexual contact is limited to... sexual contact. A voluntary action.

COVID 19 and any of it's ilk, are not voluntary, and are not spread only via personal, intimate contact.

The idea to collect 'contact' information, is vague at best, considering someone who is carrying COVID 19 and may not know it, may literally walk by someone and not know who it is.

For this idea that the government could backtrace any contacts, would involve what? Mass security cameras over the entire country, fed into one huge databank, that could identify a person by facial recognition, therefore tracking every single person in this country?

Do you even have one glimmer of a hint what would not only be involved to do this, but that every single right of a citizen would be wiped out? No expectation of privacy anywhere, even in your own home. Being tracked by cameras. Strangers, family members, neighbors, possibly reporting on you for possible breaches of 'contact'.

What could possibly go wrong?
People like Salty would be the ones that would comply if the government said "Get in the boxcar and we will keep you safe."
__________________
To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead - Thomas Paine

A lie doesn't become truth, a wrong doesn't become right, and Evil doesn't become good, just because it is accepted by the majority. - Booker T Washington
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to GetAClue For This Useful Post:
Reply

Tags
6666, act, and, contacting, covid19, everyone, reaching, testing, trace

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 06:18 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2020, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.

Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 3.2.0