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mr wonder 05-12-2020 08:15 PM

H.R. 6666: COVID-19 Testing, Reaching, And Contacting Everyone (TRACE) Act
 
Just how in your face are they at this point?
It's like a SNL mocking joke of the "conspiracy theorist"
But sure, hey, it's just a name , probably tongue in cheek just to poke fun at the tin foil hat people that said the go'vt will make laws to track and "trace" people.
Those Crazy people.
I mean look, people should just listen to the doctors and obey the gov't. amiright? If you've got nothing to hide. Then the gov't should track your health and every movement and all your personal contacts, right? it's for OUR safety.
......

joking aside. the Bill is just another part of the surveillance state being built around us.
There's no science of virology that makes this make sense. none.
It's simply a lame excuse that they KNOW many people will swallow and like it becasue they are AFRAID.

they want to create an army of neighborhood snitches. Who can tell folks when and how to quarantine.
Made up of Neighborhood health clinics, Schools -public and private-, non-profits, Churches, etc... all paid by the feds gov't.

as I calmly post this here inside my hair is on fire, partly becasue I've seen this movie, and have been pointing to this kind of thing for decades now, while being called, extreme, paranoid, conspiracy theorist, America hater and crazy.
and because as i post this now I'm pretty sure some here... and MANY other Americans... will assume and SAY that there's some NEED for this. And that it's "reasonable" and won't be abused and it's just "temporary" and something the gov't has a right to do.
Despite history and the crystal clear language of the constitution bill of rights to the contrary. Not to mention it's conflict with science and common sense.

I don't have time to discuss right now,
So anyway as Rod Serling used to say
"Submitted for Your Approval..."
H.R. 6666: COVID-19 Testing, Reaching, And Contacting Everyone (TRACE) Act
"This bill would provide $100 billion in grants to faith-based organization, clinics, medical centers, and other organization which perform testing for COVID–19, tracing of exposure to COVID–19, or services for individuals who are isolating at home. The funding could be used to pay their staff or purchase personal protective equipment to protect their staff.
No provision in this bill would make testing or quarantining mandatory. The bill includes privacy protections for the medical information of individuals that would limit how grantee organizations could share information collected with the federal government. (A large-scale disinformation campaign has made absurd claims about this bill.)"

"...To authorize the Secretary of Health and Human Services to award grants to eligible entities to conduct diagnostic testing for COVID–19, and related activities such as contact tracing, through mobile health units and, as necessary, at individuals’ residences, and for other purposes....
...Nothing in this section shall be construed to supersede any Federal privacy or confidentiality requirement, including the regulations promulgated under section ....
...such sums as may be necessary for each of fiscal year 2021 and any subsequent fiscal year during which the emergency period continues...

Sponsor's statement: https://rush.house.gov/media-center/...on-coronavirus
https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bil...hr6666/summary
https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/116/hr6666/text
I do have 2 quick questions?
Can someone tell me how the govt can trace "everyone's" health and movements and contacts without personal information?
And
Who gets to say when the war on terror !COUGH!... i mean... the medical emergency period is over?


GetAClue 05-13-2020 05:22 AM

Re: H.R. 6666: COVID-19 Testing, Reaching, And Contacting Everyone (TRACE) Act
 
This is just another step that the left is taking to have complete control over your lives. They know that fear will lead the weak at mind to give up their liberties for some semblance of safety. I am just amazed how quickly they have become comfortable with telling people how much of their freedoms they are looking to curtail. If this had been 15-20 years ago, these people would have been sent home rather quickly. It's sad and quite scary how uninformed and frightened the American people have become.

AZRWinger 05-15-2020 08:01 AM

Re: H.R. 6666: COVID-19 Testing, Reaching, And Contacting Everyone (TRACE) Act
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by GetAClue (Post 987967)
This is just another step that the left is taking to have complete control over your lives. They know that fear will lead the weak at mind to give up their liberties for some semblance of safety. I am just amazed how quickly they have become comfortable with telling people how much of their freedoms they are looking to curtail. If this had been 15-20 years ago, these people would have been sent home rather quickly. It's sad and quite scary how uninformed and frightened the American people have become.

I agree that it is sad we don't appear to have learned the lessons of the past where the Federal government manipulated crisis to expand its power. I am confident that just as the people eventually rejected FDR'S dictatorial Presidency for life and mass incarceration by executive decree they will repudiate state Governors attempting to impose repressive martial law . :thumbsup

FrancSevin 05-15-2020 09:45 AM

Re: H.R. 6666: COVID-19 Testing, Reaching, And Contacting Everyone (TRACE) Act
 
I would suggest a refresher course on Articles IV and V of the bill of rights.

GetAClue 05-15-2020 10:51 AM

Re: H.R. 6666: COVID-19 Testing, Reaching, And Contacting Everyone (TRACE) Act
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by FrancSevin (Post 988032)
I would suggest a refresher course on Articles IV and V of the bill of rights.

Refresher? It would be my guess that if you queried people now about the aforementioned articles, a vast majority would most likely respond with "What is the Bill of Rights?" That is not an indictment of the American people in general, but an acknowledgement that our educational system has been destroyed by the progressives and the NEA.

saltwn 05-18-2020 07:07 AM

Re: H.R. 6666: COVID-19 Testing, Reaching, And Contacting Everyone (TRACE) Act
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mr wonder (Post 987966)
Just how in your face are they at this point?
It's like a SNL mocking joke of the "conspiracy theorist"
But sure, hey, it's just a name , probably tongue in cheek just to poke fun at the tin foil hat people that said the go'vt will make laws to track and "trace" people.
Those Crazy people.
I mean look, people should just listen to the doctors and obey the gov't. amiright? If you've got nothing to hide. Then the gov't should track your health and every movement and all your personal contacts, right? it's for OUR safety.
......

joking aside. the Bill is just another part of the surveillance state being built around us.
There's no science of virology that makes this make sense. none.
It's simply a lame excuse that they KNOW many people will swallow and like it becasue they are AFRAID.

they want to create an army of neighborhood snitches. Who can tell folks when and how to quarantine.
Made up of Neighborhood health clinics, Schools -public and private-, non-profits, Churches, etc... all paid by the feds gov't.

as I calmly post this here inside my hair is on fire, partly becasue I've seen this movie, and have been pointing to this kind of thing for decades now, while being called, extreme, paranoid, conspiracy theorist, America hater and crazy.
and because as i post this now I'm pretty sure some here... and MANY other Americans... will assume and SAY that there's some NEED for this. And that it's "reasonable" and won't be abused and it's just "temporary" and something the gov't has a right to do.
Despite history and the crystal clear language of the constitution bill of rights to the contrary. Not to mention it's conflict with science and common sense.

I don't have time to discuss right now,
So anyway as Rod Serling used to say
"Submitted for Your Approval..."
H.R. 6666: COVID-19 Testing, Reaching, And Contacting Everyone (TRACE) Act
"This bill would provide $100 billion in grants to faith-based organization, clinics, medical centers, and other organization which perform testing for COVID–19, tracing of exposure to COVID–19, or services for individuals who are isolating at home. The funding could be used to pay their staff or purchase personal protective equipment to protect their staff.
No provision in this bill would make testing or quarantining mandatory. The bill includes privacy protections for the medical information of individuals that would limit how grantee organizations could share information collected with the federal government. (A large-scale disinformation campaign has made absurd claims about this bill.)"

"...To authorize the Secretary of Health and Human Services to award grants to eligible entities to conduct diagnostic testing for COVID–19, and related activities such as contact tracing, through mobile health units and, as necessary, at individuals’ residences, and for other purposes....
...Nothing in this section shall be construed to supersede any Federal privacy or confidentiality requirement, including the regulations promulgated under section ....
...such sums as may be necessary for each of fiscal year 2021 and any subsequent fiscal year during which the emergency period continues...

Sponsor's statement: https://rush.house.gov/media-center/...on-coronavirus
https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bil...hr6666/summary
https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/116/hr6666/text
I do have 2 quick questions?
Can someone tell me how the govt can trace "everyone's" health and movements and contacts without personal information?
And
Who gets to say when the war on terror !COUGH!... i mean... the medical emergency period is over?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36EdTXY2nUs

When a human contracts syphilis or evolved forms of it, they are asked for all sexual contacts. That information is given to local authorities who contact everyone and get their contacts. It's been that way for decades.
If there was an outbreak of measles or TB you would get the same treatment as would your contacts.
All those old diseases are somewhat controlled now for years so people are not used to volunteering this kind of information but it does help contain & shorten outbreaks.
Meanwhile:
Calm down
Breath

GottaGo 05-18-2020 08:00 AM

Re: H.R. 6666: COVID-19 Testing, Reaching, And Contacting Everyone (TRACE) Act
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by saltwn (Post 988075)
When a human contracts syphilis or evolved forms of it, they are asked for all sexual contacts. That information is given to local authorities who contact everyone and get their contacts. It's been that way for decades.
If there was an outbreak of measles or TB you would get the same treatment as would your contacts.
All those old diseases are somewhat controlled now for years so people are not used to volunteering this kind of information but it does help contain & shorten outbreaks.
Meanwhile:
Calm down
Breath

While I wholly disagree with the demand of contact information, you are missing a very large, obvious point.

Sexual contact is limited to... sexual contact. A voluntary action.

COVID 19 and any of it's ilk, are not voluntary, and are not spread only via personal, intimate contact.

The idea to collect 'contact' information, is vague at best, considering someone who is carrying COVID 19 and may not know it, may literally walk by someone and not know who it is.

For this idea that the government could backtrace any contacts, would involve what? Mass security cameras over the entire country, fed into one huge databank, that could identify a person by facial recognition, therefore tracking every single person in this country?

Do you even have one glimmer of a hint what would not only be involved to do this, but that every single right of a citizen would be wiped out? No expectation of privacy anywhere, even in your own home. Being tracked by cameras. Strangers, family members, neighbors, possibly reporting on you for possible breaches of 'contact'.

What could possibly go wrong?

Dog Man 05-18-2020 12:23 PM

Re: H.R. 6666: COVID-19 Testing, Reaching, And Contacting Everyone (TRACE) Act
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by GottaGo (Post 988083)
While I wholly disagree with the demand of contact information, you are missing a very large, obvious point.

Sexual contact is limited to... sexual contact. A voluntary action.

COVID 19 and any of it's ilk, are not voluntary, and are not spread only via personal, intimate contact.

The idea to collect 'contact' information, is vague at best, considering someone who is carrying COVID 19 and may not know it, may literally walk by someone and not know who it is.

For this idea that the government could backtrace any contacts, would involve what? Mass security cameras over the entire country, fed into one huge databank, that could identify a person by facial recognition, therefore tracking every single person in this country?

Do you even have one glimmer of a hint what would not only be involved to do this, but that every single right of a citizen would be wiped out? No expectation of privacy anywhere, even in your own home. Being tracked by cameras. Strangers, family members, neighbors, possibly reporting on you for possible breaches of 'contact'.

What could possibly go wrong?

I believe that the people that are for using this, also believe it will only be used to track COVID. :rolls

GetAClue 05-18-2020 12:59 PM

Re: H.R. 6666: COVID-19 Testing, Reaching, And Contacting Everyone (TRACE) Act
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by GottaGo (Post 988083)
While I wholly disagree with the demand of contact information, you are missing a very large, obvious point.

Sexual contact is limited to... sexual contact. A voluntary action.

COVID 19 and any of it's ilk, are not voluntary, and are not spread only via personal, intimate contact.

The idea to collect 'contact' information, is vague at best, considering someone who is carrying COVID 19 and may not know it, may literally walk by someone and not know who it is.

For this idea that the government could backtrace any contacts, would involve what? Mass security cameras over the entire country, fed into one huge databank, that could identify a person by facial recognition, therefore tracking every single person in this country?

Do you even have one glimmer of a hint what would not only be involved to do this, but that every single right of a citizen would be wiped out? No expectation of privacy anywhere, even in your own home. Being tracked by cameras. Strangers, family members, neighbors, possibly reporting on you for possible breaches of 'contact'.

What could possibly go wrong?

People like Salty would be the ones that would comply if the government said "Get in the boxcar and we will keep you safe."


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