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They're complaining about closed-door testimonies in the earliest stages of impeachment. Closed committee hearings happened during both the Nixon and Clinton impeachment inquiries and Clinton's trial in the Senate. It's the norm, not the exception.
Currently there is no impeachment, just the secretive investigation trying to create one. Kind of like the Mueller investigation was going to provide some articles of impeachment. (That never happened)
Nixon was never impeached. (admittedly, had he not resigned he would have)
Clinton was impeached for lying under oath. He lied under oath in full view of the American public, not in some secret closed hearing. By the way, Clinton also lost his license to practice law for lying in court under oath.

Trying to equate what is occurring to President Trump now to what occurred to President Nixon and President Clinton is like equating golden delicious apples to horse apples.
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oh give me a break from the false outrage
they even leaked from their own hearings. and what didn't leak was carried to the white house by trump mule devon nunez.
codes of ethics indeed. they are carrying a false premiss to their non-reader constituents that there are no republicans involved in this process.
the reason it is closed-door you know very well is to keep potential witnesses from corroborating a story. be they for or against the issue at hand.
the GOP has been ordered to help another branch of government thwart an investigation. they cant defend his actions so they attack the process.
False outrage? Ooooohhhh, the drama! No, it's actually disgust with the pathetic attempts at trying to find something, anything, that might justify the Democrats fishing expeditions. How many smoking guns now that failed?

While this current situation, being played out under color of 'evidentiary hearings' is just another version of the same attempts. If the Democrats truly believed that Trump violated some law, they would have held a vote. Do you wonder why they didn't? What are they blocking by not holding the vote? Who gave them the right to spend taxpayers money on the umpteenth time of attempting to find something to charge Trump with? While the citizens paid for the Russia probe, how about those who want to hold another taxpayer paid vendetta, pay for it themselves? If they can find a valid crime, then the taxpayers will pay, but meanwhile, those that instigated, and continued several farces, should be personally footing the bill.
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False outrage? Ooooohhhh, the drama! No, it's actually disgust with the pathetic attempts at trying to find something, anything, that might justify the Democrats fishing expeditions. How many smoking guns now that failed?

While this current situation, being played out under color of 'evidentiary hearings' is just another version of the same attempts. If the Democrats truly believed that Trump violated some law, they would have held a vote. Do you wonder why they didn't? What are they blocking by not holding the vote? Who gave them the right to spend taxpayers money on the umpteenth time of attempting to find something to charge Trump with? While the citizens paid for the Russia probe, how about those who want to hold another taxpayer paid vendetta, pay for it themselves? If they can find a valid crime, then the taxpayers will pay, but meanwhile, those that instigated, and continued several farces, should be personally footing the bill.
you are parroting talking points
they don't need to vote before gathering evidence
the house has pretty much all control of rules per the constitution
47 republicans are in those meetings
there will be public meetings soon-be careful what you wish for
they decide of any on what the articles of impeachment are
they vote for or against impeachment

no vendetta dearie; nancy did not want this
your criminal savant begged for it
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you are parroting talking points
they don't need to vote before gathering evidence
the house has pretty much all control of rules per the constitution
47 republicans are in those meetings
there will be public meetings soon-be careful what you wish for
they decide of any on what the articles of impeachment are
they vote for or against impeachment

no vendetta dearie; nancy did not want this
your criminal savant begged for it
The previous 2 impeachment inquiries were authorized by a House floor vote. The vote also established rules designed to ensure due process and fairness. For example the minority party was empowered to issue subpoenas Presidential council was allowed to be present at hearings and ask questions.

None of that kind of equitable treatment is allowed by the current lynch mob. Secret proceedings and selective leaking by Democrat propagandists is the order of the day.
The same dishonest thug that fabricated the President's phone conversation is saying they might release transcripts, later. This morning House majority leader Hakim Jefferies allowed that the committees would make a "presentation" of the evidence they had collected. No press is allowed. Democrats recently won a court decision releasing grand jury testimony from the Mueller witchhunt but conduct a public impeachment hearing, no way.
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The previous 2 impeachment inquiries were authorized by a House floor vote. The vote also established rules designed to ensure due process and fairness. For example the minority party was empowered to issue subpoenas Presidential council was allowed to be present at hearings and ask questions.

None of that kind of equitable treatment is allowed by the current lynch mob. Secret proceedings and selective leaking by Democrat propagandists is the order of the day.
The same dishonest thug that fabricated the President's phone conversation is saying they might release transcripts, later. This morning House majority leader Hakim Jefferies allowed that the committees would make a "presentation" of the evidence they had collected. No press is allowed. Democrats recently won a court decision releasing grand jury testimony from the Mueller witchhunt but conduct a public impeachment hearing, no way.
what part of --the house has complete authority in impeachment--don't you understand?

if you listened to Schiff's complete statement you know it was a summation..
be careful what you wish for. there will be public proceedings from the house.
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you are parroting talking points
they don't need to vote before gathering evidence
the house has pretty much all control of rules per the constitution
47 republicans are in those meetings
there will be public meetings soon-be careful what you wish for
they decide of any on what the articles of impeachment are
they vote for or against impeachment

no vendetta dearie; nancy did not want this
your criminal savant begged for it
What talking points? Please be specific. There is a world of difference between claiming something is a 'talking point', there by marginalizing it, and when there is actual truth to it and trying to claim it is non-factual.

To hold a 'inquiry', and take evidence from purported witnesses, and by not taking a vote, they limit who and what can hear and or/question the testimony being considered.

You still haven't figured it out, so I will spell it out for you 'dearie' - I didn't vote for Trump, I don't like Trump as a person. But the sad actions of the DNC to date will drive many people away from the Democrats. I will likely end up a third party voter AGAIN.

People like you, who refuse to see anything wrong with the Democrats actions, are part of the dog and pony show. If Trump has done something illegal, or so far out in malfeasance that it would need to be investigated, then there would be no question, but that isn't what has, or is happening. Not once has a Democrat actually been able to specify what Trump has done.
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what part of --the house has complete authority in impeachment--don't you understand?

if you listened to Schiff's complete statement you know it was a summation..
be careful what you wish for. there will be public proceedings from the house.
Sigh, the House doesn't have complete authority in impeachment, it has authority to set internal rules of operation. But when it engages in a judicial proceeding which impeachment is, then they ought to be conducted in compliance with our system of justice such as due process and respecting the right to confront one's accuser.

You seem to be oblivious to the fact the current Democrat lynch mob has eschewed the rules adopted by previous impeachment inquiries jettisoning any approximation of fairness and openness in the process. They brazenly proclaim that Republicans are obligated to chase down the fruit of this poisonous tree implicitly validating Democrat authoritarianism. Blithely signing up in support of an impeachment process perverted into something typical of repressive states like the old Soviet union shows the complete abandonment of any principles in pursuit of the Resistance goal of destroying our elections.

Schiff wasn't presenting a summary when he launched into his lie claiming he knew what Trump meant. With the phone call transcript in hand he launched into a vile fantasy of what he wished it contained. The committee chair in his opening statement poisoned the atmosphere of the hearing with a reprehensible partisan diatribe. Just as the illegitimate impeachment inquiry cannot be considered a search for the truth the intelligence committee under Schiff's leadership is a partisan political crusade against the bad Orange man where the ends justify the means.

Less than an hour after he delivered his disgusting rant Schiff took to the microphone to claim it had been a parody. Imagine that, a key leader in the impeachment crusade not only accepts parody as evidence he produces his own.
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