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They're concentration camps yet Hispanics are traveling hundreds of miles of tough terrain with their kids and families and scaling walls, fences, and bridges to get to them.

Libs are runnin' outta rhetoric.
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A looooong time ago, I used an analogy describing Socialism as pertaining to the real world and not simply a definition from a dictionary...

It goes a little like this...

A guy hits 47 home runs this year...

Another guy hits 3 home runs this year...

Now from a bullsh*t STRICT interpretation of the term "home run hitter", both qualify because they both have hit home runs...

But in the REAL WORLD, any person with an IQ above their hat size knows damn well that the first guy is definitely a "home run hitter", and the second guy is FAR from being a "home run hitter"...

If this guy goes viral, you can imagine the personal attacks the Left will throw at him...

That's what the Left is trying to do here...They don't WANT anyone to use the REAL WORLD application of the term "concentration camp"...

They want you to use a bullsh*t STRICT interpretation of it to demonize America...
When we put Americans who had done nothing into concentration camps simply to steal their land and out of bigotry we were demons.
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When we put Americans who had done nothing into concentration camps simply to steal their land and out of bigotry we were demons.
I would repeat myself, but it falls on deaf ears....

Have anything constructive to say on the actual topic?
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Release these Hispanic people instead of locking them up without any justifiable reason.
Sure, release them back in their countries.
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Holocaust survivors respond to AOC's 'concentration camp' comments in new video

Two holocaust survivors responded to Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's concentration camp comments earlier this month, and their feelings were resoundingly negative.

AOC, D-N.Y., faced backlash for comparing border detention facilities to concentration camps during a June 17 Instagram broadcast and drew criticism from her own party. New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio, came out against her comments and called her "wrong" for comparing "entirely different realities."

"I respect her greatly and I feel very close to her in terms of philosophy, but of course she was wrong," he said. "You cannot compare -- what the Nazis did in concentration camps, unfortunately, is without any historical -- I mean, it's a horrible moment in history. There is no way to compare."

The two Holocaust survivors, Sami Steigmann and David Tuck, sat for an interview with Turning Point USA and said AOC's comments were ignorant and full of hubris.

"AOC -- look at me. My name is Sami Steigmann. I am a holocaust survivor. I went through it. How can you -- looking at my face, telling me that the camps we have in the South are concentration camps? What you are doing is you are insulting every victim of the Holocaust. Shame on you!" Steigmann said.

"I'm not only a Holocaust survivor, I was in a labor camp ... I was subjected to medical experiments and, later on, a German woman saved my life, when I came to the stage of dying of starvation."

Tuck, who has been through four concentration camps, said AOC's comments were purely political and don't reflect reality.

"My name is David Tuck. I'm a holocaust survivor. I was in four concentration camps. We have no concentration camps [in America]," he said.

@AOC claims America runs Concentration camps.

We spoke to the experts.

David and Sami survived the Holocaust.

They were beaten and starved.

They watched their loved ones die.

Sami was experimented on.

David still has his numbers from Auschwitz.@AOC — listen for once.

"This is just a political comment. She's in politics. She's looking out for herself. There must be a purpose, a reason. Why would she say it? She wants to be popular? You can't be popular by annihilating other people. Don't talk to me about concentration camps," he continued.

Tuck went on to describe his experience in the camps, including the infamous Auschwitz camp in Poland and called America the greatest country in the world.

"The first camp was Posen Stadium. And then I went to Auschwitz. Then I went to Mauthausen, then I went to Gusen," he said. "Out of every 10 Jews, nine were killed. I was lucky. I still have the number on my arm. Nobody can deny that the Holocaust ever happened to me."

"I'd wake up in the morning and I'd say 'Please God, let me see the light the next day," Tuck added. "When I heard that we are free and I looked up in the sky and I said, 'tell me, where can I go?' And I came to America ... It's still the best country in the world. Enjoy life. We have no concentration camps here. God bless you all."

AOC told her Instagram followers the U.S. government is "running concentration camps on our southern border."

"That is exactly what they are. They are concentration camps," Ocasio-Cortez said during a live-stream. She told her followers she wants to talk to people "who are concerned enough with humanity to say that 'never again' means something."

"The fact that concentrations camps are now an institutionalized practice in the Home of the Free is extraordinarily disturbing and we need to do something about it," she continued

AOC received backup from Rep. Ilhan Omar, D-Minn, who supported her remarks during a Thursday interview with Public Radio International and tried to defend her usage of the word "concentration."

"When you look at what is taking place, people are being put in camps. And when you think about the definition, if we separate it from death camps, I would say these are camps and people are being concentrated in them. And so that's the general definition," Omar said.

AOC isn't the first person to compare border processing to death camps. Last June, MSNBC host Joe Scarborough compared the processing of illegal immigrants to the murder of Jewish prisoners by the Nazis.

"I know children are being ripped from their mother’s arms, even while they’re being breastfed. I know children are being marched away to showers," he said. "I know they’re being marched away to showers, are being told they are. Just like the Nazis had said that they were taking people to the showers and then they never came back."
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Statement from the US Holocaust Memorial Museum...

Why Holocaust Analogies Are Dangerous

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Nazis seem to be everywhere these days. I don’t mean self-proclaimed neo-Nazis. I’m talking about folks being labeled as Nazis, Hitler, Gestapo, Goering — take your pick — by their political opponents. American politicians from across the ideological spectrum, influential media figures, and ordinary people on social media casually use Holocaust terminology to bash anyone or any policy with which they disagree. The takedown is so common that it’s even earned its own term, reductio ad Hitlerum.

This trend is far from new, but it is escalating at a disturbing rate in increasingly polarized times. The Holocaust has become shorthand for good vs. evil; it is the epithet to end all epithets. And the current environment of rapid fire online communication and viral memes lends itself particularly well to this sort of sloppy analogizing. Worse, it allows it to spread more widely and quickly.

This oversimplified approach to complex history is dangerous. When conducted with integrity and rigor, the study of history raises more questions than answers. And as the most extensively documented crime the world has ever seen, the Holocaust offers an unmatched case study in how societies fall apart, in the immutability of human nature, in the dangers of unchecked state power. It is more than European or Jewish history. It is human history. Almost 40 years ago, the United States Congress chartered a Holocaust memorial on the National Mall for precisely this reason: The questions raised by the Holocaust transcend all divides.

Neither the political right nor left has a monopoly on exploiting the six million Jews murdered in a state-sponsored, systematic campaign of genocide to demonize or intimidate their political opponents. Recently, some conservative media figures explicitly likened Parkland, FL students advocating for tightened gun control to Hitler Youth, operating in the service of a shadowy authoritarian conspiracy. This allegation included splicing images of these students onto historical film footage of Nazi rallies, reflecting the ease with which many Americans associate the sound of German shouting with a threat to personal liberties. A state representative in Minnesota joined the online bandwagon in these accusations.

Perhaps most popular this year have been accusations of “Nazism” and “fascism” against federal authorities for their treatment of children separated from their parents at the US border with Mexico. “Remember, other governments put kids in camps,” is a typical rallying cry from some immigration advocates. Even a person as well versed in the tenuous balance between national security and compassion, the former head of the CIA, took to Twitter to criticize federal policies toward illegal migrants using a black and white photo of the iconic train tracks leading the Auschwitz-Birkenau killing center. Nazi comparisons have also been leveled against the federal government in connection with a travel ban on individuals from predominantly Muslim countries. Animal rights proponents have consistently decried what they call “the Holocaust on your plate” in critiquing today’s meat industry. The list goes on.

...Careless Holocaust analogies may demonize, demean, and intimidate their targets. But there is a cost for all of us because they distract from the real issues challenging our society, because they shut down productive, thoughtful discourse. At a time when our country needs dialogue more than ever, it is especially dangerous to exploit the memory of the Holocaust as a rhetorical cudgel. We owe the survivors more than that. And we owe ourselves more than that.
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