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I’m curious, but was it “stupid” and a display of an “incredible lack of intelligence” when the author of a book on concentration camps (that Smithsonian Magazine cited as one of the best history books of the year in 2017) said almost exactly the same thing?
Lurch beat me to it, but to answer your question, yes. There is absolutely no comparison to what happened in Nazi Germany to what is currently going on in the American Southwest. Anyone stupid enough to compare the two is not worth the time and effort to educate.

But I do have a question for you. If you believe that the detainment of these people on our southern border is so horrible, why then did you wait until Trump was in office to complain about it being as it started during the Obama admin?
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A looooong time ago, I used an analogy describing Socialism as pertaining to the real world and not simply a definition from a dictionary...

It goes a little like this...

A guy hits 47 home runs this year...

Another guy hits 3 home runs this year...

Now from a bullsh*t STRICT interpretation of the term "home run hitter", both qualify because they both have hit home runs...

But in the REAL WORLD, any person with an IQ above their hat size knows damn well that the first guy is definitely a "home run hitter", and the second guy is FAR from being a "home run hitter"...

If this guy goes viral, you can imagine the personal attacks the Left will throw at him...

That's what the Left is trying to do here...They don't WANT anyone to use the REAL WORLD application of the term "concentration camp"...

They want you to use a bullsh*t STRICT interpretation of it to demonize America...
Indeed, here is the definition of concentration camps from Britainica.

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Concentration camp, internment centre for political prisoners and members of national or minority groups who are confined for reasons of state security, exploitation, or punishment, usually by executive decree or military order. Persons are placed in such camps often on the basis of identification with a particular ethnic or political group rather than as individuals and without benefit either of indictment or fair trial. Concentration camps are to be distinguished from prisons interning persons lawfully convicted of civil crimes and from prisoner-of-war camps in which captured military personnel are held under the laws of war. They are also to be distinguished from refugee camps or detention and relocation centres for the temporary accommodation of large numbers of displaced persons
https://www.britannica.com/topic/concentration-camp

It's not a surprise to see the rush to defend OAc the media darling by redefining concentration camp into something that describes a county jail, detaining civilians en mass without a trial.

Wonder how many true concentration camps allowed prisoners to be released simply by requesting a return to their country of origin? The US CBP on average devotes more than 50 agents per day to escorting detainees to receive medical care from the same providers used by legal residents at taxpayer expense. That is so typical of the concentration camps we read about in history.

Detainees with children can be held a maximum of 21 days, that's typical of a concentration camp, right? American citizens accused of a crime are routinely separated from their children but detainees in so-called concentration camps cannot be separated from theirs.

AOC'S latest ill considered remark is simply support for the radical Leftist policy of "no border, no wall, no USA at all ". Something so repugnant to the greater public it has to be obscured by media propaganda.
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I’m curious, but was it “stupid” and a display of an “incredible lack of intelligence” when the author of a book on concentration camps (that Smithsonian Magazine cited as one of the best history books of the year in 2017) said almost exactly the same thing?



https://www.esquire.com/news-politic...ilities-trump/
You use Esquire as your source, when supposedly this 'award winning author' is quoted by Smithsonian, per your words.... why is that?

Concentration camps were used for evil intent. The Japanese internment camps were wrong, wrong, wrong.

The people who are being held in detention, have come into this country illegally, and only after they were caught, claimed they were seeking asylum. The did not follow protocol to claim asylum.

Do you see the difference?
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You use Esquire as your source, when supposedly this 'award winning author' is quoted by Smithsonian, per your words.... why is that?

Concentration camps were used for evil intent. The Japanese internment camps were wrong, wrong, wrong.

The people who are being held in detention, have come into this country illegally, and only after they were caught, claimed they were seeking asylum. The did not follow protocol to claim asylum.

Do you see the difference?
He and the others on the left see the difference, but it is not convenient to admit it as it does not support the narrative that Trump and Republicans are all evil. Their hypocrisy is obvious to anyone with an IQ greater than their shoe size, but they are oblivious to it.
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Yes. Just because they are "Hispanic", and not because of their claim that they were forced to trespass into the country to claim asylum.

Anybody ever wonder what would have happened to Europe if every person there whose country had been invaded by Hitler's forces had fled to other countries?
Had everyone fled from the countries Hitler invaded there would have been roughly 12 million fewer deaths in WW II (i.e. the total number of deaths from the Holocaust) and the war would have ended sooner, saving military lives, because Hitler would not have had a source for slave labor.

Too bad is didn't happen.

They are being forced to illegally enter the US to apply for asylum because the Trump administration is not complying with the Refugee Act of 1980 that would allow them to apply at a port of entry. In 2018 the Trump administration only allowed about 22,000 refugees to apply at US ports of entry, or 250,000 less than the Refuges Act of 1980 would allow.

Once they are inside the US and they are allowed to apply for asylum they become "protected" persons exempt from deportation with a right to be in the United States. The fact that they entered the US illegally doesn't matter once they've been allowed to apply for asylum. At most it becomes a petty misdemeanor with a $500 maximum fine and no requirement for deportation even if they applications for asylum is eventually denied.

They represent no threat to the American people and they do not represent a risk of fleeing the country so there's no justifiable reason of their incarceration.

We also know that under a pilot program during the Obama administration that they had a 100% appearance rate at their immigration hearings. The "catch and release" problem was solved by assigning a case worker to each applicant. Without a case worker keeping track of where the asylum seeker might move was impossible so they didn't receive their notifications to appear in court and that lead to a high no-show rate that also resulted in them losing their application for asylum.
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You use Esquire as your source, when supposedly this 'award winning author' is quoted by Smithsonian, per your words.... why is that?

Concentration camps were used for evil intent. The Japanese internment camps were wrong, wrong, wrong.
The ICE detention centers are also being used for evil intent. People that don't represent a threat to the American people, that have no intention of fleeing the United States to avoid prosecution, are being held and their children have been forcefully separated from them, for no legitimate purpose. The only reason they're being put into these detention centers and held is because they're Hispanic refugees.

Please note that Canadians represent the greatest number of "illegal" aliens arriving in the US in the last few years. Were are the tens of thousands of Canadians being detained that are in the US illegally?

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The people who are being held in detention, have come into this country illegally, and only after they were caught, claimed they were seeking asylum. The did not follow protocol to claim asylum.

Do you see the difference?
They followed "protocol" by going to a US port of entry when they arrived at the US-Mexico border. The CBP did not allow them to apply as refugees even though the Refugee Act of 1980 allowed up to 270,000 refugee admissions. Trump, in 2018, only allowed about 22,000 to apply leaving almost 250,000 open refugee admissions available.

Because of the humanitarian crisis in Mexico created by Trump not allowing 250,000 more refugee admissions these family units again followed US protocol. They illegally entered the US and went directly to the CBP to apply for asylum in compliance with our immigration laws. Once they applied they became "protected" persons that couldn't be deported and that had a lawful right to be in the United States.

Trump created this nightmare and only Trump can fix it but he won't. Trump is opposed to legal immigration by non-whites/non-Protestants because he's a self-proclaimed White Nationalist (White Supremacist). That's why Trump is refusing to allow refugees to apply at a US port of entry where they can become lawful immigrants to the United States.
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That's what the Left is trying to do here...They don't WANT anyone to use the REAL WORLD application of the term "concentration camp"...
Not exactly correct. They want to make the REAL WORLD correlations between German concentration camps in WWII and the detention centers while justifying the usage with the STRICT definition.


Note: these "concentration camps" have been in use for decades, during Clinton, Bush, and Obama years. If Hillary had won, we wouldn't be hearing anything about them.

If conditions in them are horrible, then they SHOULD be improved. I have no idea what conditions there are actually like.

If someone dies the democrats scream... people are dying. Well when you have 100,000 people anywhere, someone is going to die. The question is, why are they dying? If it's due to the conditions they are in, that's unconscionable. If it's because they were raped and maltreated by coyotes on their way here, well we can only do as much as we can do.

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The ICE detention centers are also being used for evil intent. People that don't represent a threat to the American people, that have no intention of fleeing the United States to avoid prosecution, are being held and their children have been forcefully separated from them, for no legitimate purpose. The only reason they're being put into these detention centers and held is because they're Hispanic refugees.

Please note that Canadians represent the greatest number of "illegal" aliens arriving in the US in the last few years. Were are the tens of thousands of Canadians being detained that are in the US illegally?



They followed "protocol" by going to a US port of entry when they arrived at the US-Mexico border. The CBP did not allow them to apply as refugees even though the Refugee Act of 1980 allowed up to 270,000 refugee admissions. Trump, in 2018, only allowed about 22,000 to apply leaving almost 250,000 open refugee admissions available.

Because of the humanitarian crisis in Mexico created by Trump not allowing 250,000 more refugee admissions these family units again followed US protocol. They illegally entered the US and went directly to the CBP to apply for asylum in compliance with our immigration laws. Once they applied they became "protected" persons that couldn't be deported and that had a lawful right to be in the United States.

Trump created this nightmare and only Trump can fix it but he won't. Trump is opposed to legal immigration by non-whites/non-Protestants because he's a self-proclaimed White Nationalist (White Supremacist). That's why Trump is refusing to allow refugees to apply at a US port of entry where they can become lawful immigrants to the United States.
Yet more senseless blather. I quit reading after the highlighted part in red. You are either extremely dense or such a partisan hack facts are dismissed out of hand.

People are in detention centers because THEY ILLEGALLY ENTERED THE COUNTRY! Ethnicity has NOTHING TO DO WITH IT! Also, I didn't see you complaining about this during Obama's term. Why is that?

ICE and the Border Patrol are simply following the law. That is what LEO's do. If you don't like the law, petition your congressional representatives to have it changed. But continuing to throw darts at the current administration shows either your hyper partisanship or your complete lack of understanding about how our country operates.
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Concentration camps have been used throughout history and the Jews are not the only people to suffer from being sent to concentration camps. Japanese were sent to concentration camps in the United States during WW II (that was only declared unconstitutional last year in the Hawaii v Trump decision by the Supreme Court).
The WWII internment camps, while deplorable and wrong, and the holding facilities for illegal aliens cannot in any justifiable way be compared to the Nazi concentration camps. Illegal aliens seeking asylum are held in clean facilities, given more than adequate food and water, given medicine and medical care. None of which they are expected to pay for. A comparison to Nazi concentration camps where people were brought to be starved to death, worked to death, or simply put to death is simple stupidity.
It is however interesting to note that the WWII internment camps were implemented and defended in court by a democrat president and found unconstitutional in a case fought for by a republican president.

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Today tens of thousands Hispanics are being held in detention centers without cause and those detention centers certainly meet the criteria of concentration camps.
The cause would be that they illegally entered the united states and again the comparison of the detention centers to Nazi concentration camps is ridicules to the point of stupidity.

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These are Hispanics that have applied for asylum, that grants them the right to be in the United States...
If they are in a detention center they are in the United States. However, it grants them no such right. Please cite the U.S. law that states these people must be released into the U.S. pending an asylum hearing.

Anybody that defends AOC's moronic comments regarding detention centers = Nazi concentration camps can only fall into one of two categories; ignorant or stupid. Considering the ease of obtaining information on the subject, I guess there is really only one category.
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Had everyone fled from the countries Hitler invaded there would have been roughly 12 million fewer deaths in WW II (i.e. the total number of deaths from the Holocaust) and the war would have ended sooner, saving military lives, because Hitler would not have had a source for slave labor.

Too bad is didn't happen.

They are being forced to illegally enter the US to apply for asylum because the Trump administration is not complying with the Refugee Act of 1980 that would allow them to apply at a port of entry. In 2018 the Trump administration only allowed about 22,000 refugees to apply at US ports of entry, or 250,000 less than the Refuges Act of 1980 would allow.

Once they are inside the US and they are allowed to apply for asylum they become "protected" persons exempt from deportation with a right to be in the United States. The fact that they entered the US illegally doesn't matter once they've been allowed to apply for asylum. At most it becomes a petty misdemeanor with a $500 maximum fine and no requirement for deportation even if they applications for asylum is eventually denied.

They represent no threat to the American people and they do not represent a risk of fleeing the country so there's no justifiable reason of their incarceration.

We also know that under a pilot program during the Obama administration that they had a 100% appearance rate at their immigration hearings. The "catch and release" problem was solved by assigning a case worker to each applicant. Without a case worker keeping track of where the asylum seeker might move was impossible so they didn't receive their notifications to appear in court and that lead to a high no-show rate that also resulted in them losing their application for asylum.
It gets very tiring reading nothing but horse manure. Hiltler would have put the remaining people into forced labor, German or otherwise.
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