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Funny...nobody else sensed that about me. I was one of Obama's severest critics for at least 2/3 of the campaign! I challenged him and his association with the Rev Wright in dozens of posts. In fact...people were shocked when I switched from Bob Barr to Obama! It is wrong to assume that "everyone" who voted for Obama is misinformed and stupid. What brought me into Obama's camp? McCain did...I saw problems with some of his judgment or lack thereof and it got worse..much worse! When Obama picked Biden...that cemented the deal!!! I like gaffer Joe,he's intelligent,experienced even though he has foot in mouth disease.

At any rate...Obama is surrounding himself with some pretty good people. Not all are good mind you but he's made some pretty good moves.

Time will tell...
The posts we exchanged toward the end of the campaign indicated to me that you (along with dozens of others I've had exchanges with) were unwilling to entertain any of the serious questions that existed about Obama.

I said this during the last part of the campaign: In a choice between a loyal Obama and a loyal McCain, the loyal Obama is the better candidate by far.

But in a contest between McCain and an Obama who might perform an act of perfidy at any moment, an act that no one could even detect when he did it, the choice is obvious.

A loyal McCain would be better than a disloyal Obama.

And how do we know that McCain is loyal?

Vetting.

Everything about him has been investigated and shown to the public and anything that might be a concern about his past has been considered by the public.

And how do we know that Obama is loyal.

We have his word and some superficial biographical information to go on. Some things are known in depth. Others aspects remain very sketchy. Some are virtually unknown.

The ongoing investigation into IL Gov. Blagojevich's possible wrongdoings show us how easily untoward activities of a serious nature could go on in the course of just one meeting or one phone call. One meeting that could possibly affect who was chosen to assume Obama's Senate seat.

And we see that getting to the heart of a sensitive matter like that, which ONLY involves a Senate seat (and a Governorship), requires acts of the state and maybe the Federal government to extricate.

To what extent do you think this brilliant law professor would go to hide, obscure and protect a secret agreement he made to act duplicitously to assure he reached the White House?

You think we would just sense he was up to something should he actually be a sleeper agent of the highest caliber?

I'll remind you that the most famed spies in the wars were able to fool ministers of parliament and heads of the departments of governments.

But certainly he couldn't do anything against America's interests without detection, could he?

To the contrary!

He just announced a unilateral disengagement with the Taliban and al Qaeda in Afghanistan and NO ONE in the United States said a peep about it but yours truly.

And he didn't say it in some dreary, sleepy meeting. He did it on live TV on Meet The Press (12/7/08).

He has the ability to hide things in plain sight.

You just do not understand how great he is yet.

That quality I have cited might make him a great president but it also might make him a great foreign agent.

Our problem is that we don't KNOW which he really is because we have been so willing to take him at face value and not subject him to the usual vetting process that EVERY president has gone through.

So we have an unknown quantity about to take office.

If he is loyal he does himself and us a disservice by needlessly allowing the doubts about him to hamper his performance.

If he is not loyal he is setting us up for some action that we may never even spot or suspect even AFTER the fact.

And for me to have to explain this to you shows what a blind spot you have to the reality as regards Barack Obama.

Oh, and about his cabinet choices, yes, they are impressive. But isn't the magic of a magic man made more believable by having the audience attest to the strength of the locks and chains around him before going into the trunk that is to be submerged under water?

The ability to pull off the act of magic successfully, without the audience knowing how he did what he did, and in plain sight, is the objective.

And if he is a disloyal Houdini he has us all fooled so far.
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Now I've seen it all. This is so ridiculous its funny. Ya if I want to put a sleeper in as POTUS I will choose a black man named Barack Hussain Obama. Ya thats it. Nobody will ever suspect. "What do you think Natasha?" "Good plan Boris. Then we will destroy moose and squirrel"
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The posts we exchanged toward the end of the campaign indicated to me that you (along with dozens of others I've had exchanges with) were unwilling to entertain any of the serious questions that existed about Obama.

I said this during the last part of the campaign: In a choice between a loyal Obama and a loyal McCain, the loyal Obama is the better candidate by far.

But in a contest between McCain and an Obama who might perform an act of perfidy at any moment, an act that no one could even detect when he did it, the choice is obvious.

A loyal McCain would be better than a disloyal Obama.

And how do we know that McCain is loyal?

Vetting.

Everything about him has been investigated and shown to the public and anything that might be a concern about his past has been considered by the public.

And how do we know that Obama is loyal.

We have his word and some superficial biographical information to go on. Some things are known in depth. Others aspects remain very sketchy. Some are virtually unknown.

The ongoing investigation into IL Gov. Blagojevich's possible wrongdoings show us how easily untoward activities of a serious nature could go on in the course of just one meeting or one phone call. One meeting that could possibly affect who was chosen to assume Obama's Senate seat.

And we see that getting to the heart of a sensitive matter like that, which ONLY involves a Senate seat (and a Governorship), requires acts of the state and maybe the Federal government to extricate.

To what extent do you think this brilliant law professor would go to hide, obscure and protect a secret agreement he made to act duplicitously to assure he reached the White House?

You think we would just sense he was up to something should he actually be a sleeper agent of the highest caliber?

I'll remind you that the most famed spies in the wars were able to fool ministers of parliament and heads of the departments of governments.

But certainly he couldn't do anything against America's interests without detection, could he?

To the contrary!

He just announced a unilateral disengagement with the Taliban and al Qaeda in Afghanistan and NO ONE in the United States said a peep about it but yours truly.

And he didn't say it in some dreary, sleepy meeting. He did it on live TV on Meet The Press (12/7/08).

He has the ability to hide things in plain sight.

You just do not understand how great he is yet.

That quality I have cited might make him a great president but it also might make him a great foreign agent.

Our problem is that we don't KNOW which he really is because we have been so willing to take him at face value and not subject him to the usual vetting process that EVERY president has gone through.

So we have an unknown quantity about to take office.

If he is loyal he does himself and us a disservice by needlessly allowing the doubts about him to hamper his performance.

If he is not loyal he is setting us up for some action that we may never even spot or suspect even AFTER the fact.

And for me to have to explain this to you shows what a blind spot you have to the reality as regards Barack Obama.

Oh, and about his cabinet choices, yes, they are impressive. But isn't the magic of a magic man made more believable by having the audience attest to the strength of the locks and chains around him before going into the trunk that is to be submerged under water?

The ability to pull off the act of magic successfully, without the audience knowing how he did what he did, and in plain sight, is the objective.

And if he is a disloyal Houdini he has us all fooled so far.
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Now I've seen it all. This is so ridiculous its funny. Ya if I want to put a sleeper in as POTUS I will choose a black man named Barack Hussain Obama. Ya thats it. Nobody will ever suspect. "What do you think Natasha?" "Good plan Boris. Then we will destroy moose and squirrel"
Are you telling us that you'd never thought of this as a possibility?

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Are you telling us that you'd never thought of this as a possibility?

I saw the manchurian candidate too. Like I said if you were going to install an agent wouldn't you choose a white boy with an english name from Ohio or something. I mean really. Wouldn't you? Who in their right mind would orchastrate such a plan and choose someone that in most times never have a snowballs chance in hell of winning the nomination. Don't you see how that destroys the whole Manchurian idea?
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I saw the manchurian candidate too. Like I said if you were going to install an agent wouldn't you choose a white boy with an english name from Ohio or something. I mean really. Wouldn't you? Who in their right mind would orchastrate such a plan and choose someone that in most times never have a snowballs chance in hell of winning the nomination. Don't you see how that destroys the whole Manchurian idea?
It costs little for them to try to infiltrate America's government. Why NOT try Obama?

He has exemplary personality traits and extraordinary abilities.

Finding the right candidate is never 100%. Someone like Obama may be as close as they could come to the ideal candidate back in 1980 or whenever.

Just like the T-1000 (Arnold) was the state of the art cyborg when the search for Sarah Conner first began, but subsequent quests sent much more lethal robotic hunter/killers to get the job done.

Future "Manchurian Candidates" may be imperfect in some other way.
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Now your making me giggle. No if you wanted to infiltrate you wouldn't waste effort or money in trying to push such an unlikely prospect. Seriously. You are a covert agent. You want to infiltrate and not get caught. As silly as the whole idea is you would still go with the genaric base model to build on. Not a black man who you yourself don't find above board. You would choose a golden boy. Just like the movie.
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It costs little for them to try to infiltrate America's government. Why NOT try Obama?

He has exemplary personality traits and extraordinary abilities.

Finding the right candidate is never 100%. Someone like Obama may be as close as they could come to the ideal candidate back in 1980 or whenever.

Just like the T-1000 (Arnold) was the state of the art cyborg when the search for Sarah Conner first began, but subsequent quests sent much more lethal robotic hunter/killers to get the job done.

Future "Manchurian Candidates" may be imperfect in some other way.
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Now your making me giggle. No if you wanted to infiltrate you wouldn't waste effort or money in trying to push such an unlikely prospect. Seriously. You are a covert agent. You want to infiltrate and not get caught. As silly as the whole idea is you would still go with the genaric base model to build on. Not a black man who you yourself don't find above board. You would choose a golden boy. Just like the movie.
To your credit you haven't a clue as to how to go about such a thing.
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I know that trying to find the "Golden boy" candidate with all the right qualities without hypnotizing him (it's not realistic) would be virtually impossible.

Tell us what interest would a Saudi Prince have in the 25 year old Obama?
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I know that trying to find the "Golden boy" candidate with all the right qualities without hypnotizing him (it's not realistic) would be virtually impossible.

Tell us what interest would a Saudi Prince have in the 25 year old Obama?
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