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Old 01-16-2019, 11:05 PM
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Default ‘She wields the knife’: Pelosi moves to belittle and undercut Trump in shutdown fight

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House Democrats on Wednesday were making plans to undermine President Trump at his Jan. 29 State of the Union address. Just past 8:30 a.m., the leadership’s communications arm sent an email to lawmakers urging them to bring furloughed federal workers or other “message-related” guests to the nationally televised event.

Unknown to most of her caucus, however, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) had decided on a more confrontational approach.

Addressing a closed-door meeting of House Democrats, the speaker read a letter she had just sent to Trump asking him to either postpone the speech until the federal government reopens or deliver the text in writing, citing security concerns.

Surprised Democratic lawmakers cheered their leader’s rationale: If the government stays shut down, Pelosi would deprive Trump of the spotlight he craves. To a president especially sensitive to acts of disrespect — and one with a hearty appetite for pomp and circumstance — the so-called unvitation was not merely a *power play. It was a calculated personal slight.

In the two weeks since she reclaimed the speaker’s gavel, Pelosi has moved aggressively to leverage her decades of congressional experience to needle, belittle and undercut Trump with swipes at his competence and even his masculinity.

The two leaders are locked in a standoff over a partial government shutdown instigated by Trump’s demand that U.S. taxpayers fund a portion of his promised border wall. Both Trump and Pelosi are gambling that the other will bear the brunt of the blame as the economic impact worsens, with the shutdown now dragging on for nearly a month.

But Pelosi’s challenge to Trump also comes with a degree of risk, for her and for Democrats. The more she becomes the face of Trump’s opposition, the more Republicans will probably use her unpopularity nationally to label vulnerable House Democrats as Pelosi clones — a potentially potent line of attack against sitting lawmakers who cast votes in lock-step with party leaders.


Still, with a self-declared mandate to provide a check on the president’s power, Pelosi is helping to keep Democrats largely united while energizing liberals who have yearned for a leader to challenge Trump directly.

Rep. Steve Cohen (D-Tenn.) called her letter to Trump to delay the State of the Union speech her “Gene Hackman moment,” comparing it to an inspirational speech the actor gives a basketball team in the movie “Hoosiers.”

“It’s smart for two reasons,” Cohen said. “Number one, Pelosi would be right behind him, and she’d have to sit there as he put the onus on her for the shutdown. Number two, it gives him a reason to end the shutdown, because he loves the TV audience and the attention.”
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Josh Holmes, an adviser to Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.), called Pelosi “a total fighter.”

“She understands political leverage. She wields the knife,” Holmes said. But he argued that her call to delay Trump’s speech was “a major screw-up” and predicted it would backfire.

In her letter to Trump, Pelosi said the U.S. Secret Service and the Department of Homeland Security have been “hamstrung” by furloughs and therefore should not bear the burden of securing the president’s address in the House chamber. The White House had no immediate response, but Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen said her department and the Secret Service were “fully prepared to support and secure the State of the Union.”
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So far Trump hasn't responded publicly or tweeted.

Well they can stay dug in if they want to I guess but I don't care how either of them fights for their base. They need to get together and open the government before even more mayhem is unleashed by the shut down.
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I predict there will be a drive to shlt can every ass hole not willing to work with Trump.

Be afraid.
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Default Re: ‘She wields the knife’: Pelosi moves to belittle and undercut Trump in shutdown f

The speaker of the house does not hold a power equal to that of the President. At best she can interfere with the work of the Congress by making her 1/2 of that body useless.

What she is doing is proving to the nation is that the progressive politics of Kalifornia are not suitable to the needs of the country. Presuming, on my part, that we want prosperous one, she should not be in our future.
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I predict there will be a drive to shlt can every ass hole not willing to work with Trump.

Be afraid.
Afraid of what? The minority of voters who still support Trump? Have you guys already forgotten the 2018 mid-terms, in which Trump’s party lost by the biggest margin in any mid-term election in over 30 years?
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Hmmmm.

Actively undermine the President... that sounds like treason.....
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So far Trump hasn't responded publicly or tweeted.

Well they can stay dug in if they want to I guess but I don't care how either of them fights for their base. They need to get together and open the government before even more mayhem is unleashed by the shut down.
There's an extensive amount of preparation required by the House before the State of the Union Address and the people for that work are a part of the government workers that are not being paid or working right now. I'm with Pelosi on this. These workers should not be expected to work for free to accommodate the State of the Union Address that will be little more than a campaign rally for Donald Trump.

Here's Trump's options:
Want to talk border security - put the government back to work first.
Want to give the State of the Union Address to Congress - put the government back to work first.
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There's an extensive amount of preparation required by the House before the State of the Union Address and the people for that work are a part of the government workers that are not being paid or working right now. I'm with Pelosi on this. These workers should not be expected to work for free to accommodate the State of the Union Address that will be little more than a campaign rally for Donald Trump.

Here's Trump's options:
Want to talk border security - put the government back to work first.
Want to give the State of the Union Address to Congress - put the government back to work first.
Nope. Reagan fell for the Democrats give us what we want in exchange for something to be named later. We're still waiting. At any rate the House, not the President, is responsible for the budget.

Setting up for the SOTU may be complicated, but it doesn't need to be. Nothing says the address needs to be delivered in the House chambers. If I were President Trump I'd deliver my message on the steps of the House building. Let the Democrats explain why the President is not welcome.

Here's Nancy's options:

Pass a bill, send it on to the Senate, and ultimately to the President. Until that happens, it's Congress holding up the checks.
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Afraid of what? The minority of voters who still support Trump? Have you guys already forgotten the 2018 mid-terms, in which Trump’s party lost by the biggest margin in any mid-term election in over 30 years?
Have you forgotten the 2010 midterms? Republicans picked up more than 60 House seats and Senate seats. Democrats won 40 House seats but lost Senate seats. Simple arithmetic versus brainless Democrat talking point.
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Nope. Reagan fell for the Democrats give us what we want in exchange for something to be named later. We're still waiting. At any rate the House, not the President, is responsible for the budget.

Setting up for the SOTU may be complicated, but it doesn't need to be. Nothing says the address needs to be delivered in the House chambers. If I were President Trump I'd deliver my message on the steps of the House building. Let the Democrats explain why the President is not welcome.

Here's Nancy's options:

Pass a bill, send it on to the Senate, and ultimately to the President. Until that happens, it's Congress holding up the checks.
YUP/

Pelosi thinks she is equal in Constitutional power to that of the President. She is wrong. Her ego battle with the executive branch may soon be her undoing. Or, it may be the undoing of the nation.

Were this happening anytime in the late 18th century there would already be shots fired. Time for the GOP, moderate Democrats( I know that is a ludicrous suggestion), and the Senate as a whole to get some courage and do their duty to the nation. Man or woman, no one person should be allowed to exercise that power over the population.
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Have you forgotten the 2010 midterms? Republicans picked up more than 60 House seats and Senate seats. Democrats won 40 House seats but lost Senate seats. Simple arithmetic versus brainless Democrat talking point.
I really hope that Trump and his supporters keep deluding themselves that the Republicans didn’t just suffer a historic loss in the mid-terms. That’s a recipe for evisceration in 2020. If Trump lasts that long, he’s going to get destroyed.
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