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I really hope that Trump and his supporters keep deluding themselves that the Republicans didn’t just suffer a historic loss in the mid-terms. That’s a recipe for evisceration in 2020. If Trump lasts that long, he’s going to get destroyed.
You claimed the 2018 midterms were the worst defeat for Republicans in 30 years, after I demonstrated objectively that was a false statement you compound your error with a forecast of electoral doom for Trump's reelection. Again, a look at history demonstrates the foolishness of the claim. Despite a much bigger defeat in the 2012 midterms than the Republicans suffered in 2018 the incumbent Democrat President was comfortably reelected in 2012.
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I really hope that Trump and his supporters keep deluding themselves that the Republicans didn’t just suffer a historic loss in the mid-terms. That’s a recipe for evisceration in 2020. If Trump lasts that long, he’s going to get destroyed.
Losing 40 seats in the House midterms is hardly "historic." That said, exercising the Pelosi ego is a historic blunder. This power struggle will be harmful to the nation and, assuming the government survives it, eventually to the Democratic party. Her gamble for power is a dangerous attempt to restrict the current President. If successful, it will have the same negative effect on all future Presidents and the Executive Branch.

Democratic Republic vrs Social Democracy. That is the question before the nation. All for the price of a rounding error in the budget.
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You claimed the 2018 midterms were the worst defeat for Republicans in 30 years, after I demonstrated objectively that was a false statement you compound your error with a forecast of electoral doom for Trump's reelection. Again, a look at history demonstrates the foolishness of the claim. Despite a much bigger defeat in the 2012 midterms than the Republicans suffered in 2018 the incumbent Democrat President was comfortably reelected in 2012.
Democrats won the cumulative House vote by a wider margin than either party in any mid-term since 1986. That is a fact. They won the overall House vote in states representing well over 330 electoral votes. (Hell, they won the overall House vote by 5 percent or more in enough states to win a majority in the electoral college.). And they won the overall Senate vote by an even wider margin that they won the House. Looking only at seats won or lost ignores the effects of gerrymandering (in the House) and the types of states where seats were up in the Senate. Like I said, it was a crushing loss for the Republicans, but I’ll be thrilled if you guys keep rationalizing the loss in order to delude yourself that it wasn’t that bad.

The simple fact is that Trump is profoundly unpopular. That’s easily demonstrated. There was a Marist poll released just this morning that showed that 57% of registered voters say they are definitely voting against Trump in 2020. (They asked the same question about Obama in 2010 and 2011 and the number saying they would definitely vote against Obama peaked at 49%, which is almost exactly the percentage that ended up voting for Romney and third parties in 2012.)
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Democrats won the cumulative House vote by a wider margin than either party in any mid-term since 1986. That is a fact. They won the overall House vote in states representing well over 330 electoral votes. (Hell, they won the overall House vote by 5 percent or more in enough states to win a majority in the electoral college.). And they won the overall Senate vote by an even wider margin that they won the House. Looking only at seats won or lost ignores the effects of gerrymandering (in the House) and the types of states where seats were up in the Senate. Like I said, it was a crushing loss for the Republicans, but I’ll be thrilled if you guys keep rationalizing the loss in order to delude yourself that it wasn’t that bad.

The simple fact is that Trump is profoundly unpopular. That’s easily demonstrated. There was a Marist poll released just this morning that showed that 57% of registered voters say they are definitely voting against Trump in 2020. (They asked the same question about Obama in 2010 and 2011 and the number saying they would definitely vote against Obama peaked at 49%, which is almost exactly the percentage that ended up voting for Romney and third parties in 2012.)
Your idea of "Historical" is hysterical.

Since his election, Trump's approval/disapproval ratings have hovered between 44% and 51%. Last numbers I have from Rasmussen are 48%. That is not only fairly consistent, it is hardly "profound."

And, at 22%, it beats the hell out of Pelosi's and Mitchell's Congress.

Congress, which is the body that legislates our laws and spends our money, never reaches that number.
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Your idea of "Historical" is hysterical.

Since his election, Trump's approval/disapproval ratings have hovered between 44% and 51%. Last numbers I have from Rasmussen are 48%. That is not only fairly consistent, it is hardly "profound."

And, at 22%, it beats the hell out of Pelosi's and Mitchell's Congress.

Congress, which is the body that legislates our laws and spends our money, never reaches that number.
It kills me how badly informed you people are. Trump hasn’t been above 44% in a legitimate poll since he was inaugurated (Rasmussen is pro-GOP garbage). He’s actually hovered between 39 and 42 percent for almost his entire presidency. But, as I said, by all means keep pretending that he’s popular.
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Democrats won the cumulative House vote by a wider margin than either party in any mid-term since 1986. That is a fact. They won the overall House vote in states representing well over 330 electoral votes. (Hell, they won the overall House vote by 5 percent or more in enough states to win a majority in the electoral college.). And they won the overall Senate vote by an even wider margin that they won the House. Looking only at seats won or lost ignores the effects of gerrymandering (in the House) and the types of states where seats were up in the Senate. Like I said, it was a crushing loss for the Republicans, but I’ll be thrilled if you guys keep rationalizing the loss in order to delude yourself that it wasn’t that bad.

The simple fact is that Trump is profoundly unpopular. That’s easily demonstrated. There was a Marist poll released just this morning that showed that 57% of registered voters say they are definitely voting against Trump in 2020. (They asked the same question about Obama in 2010 and 2011 and the number saying they would definitely vote against Obama peaked at 49%, which is almost exactly the percentage that ended up voting for Romney and third parties in 2012.)
You are claiming the Democrats won the "cumulative", whatever that is, and the overall house vote, whatever that is. And the something about the electoral college vote, which has nothing to do with Congressional races. And gerrymandering, mustn't forget gerrymandering.

The fact is the midterms were not the worst defeat since 1986.
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It kills me how badly informed you people are. Trump hasn’t been above 44% in a legitimate poll since he was inaugurated (Rasmussen is pro-GOP garbage). He’s actually hovered between 39 and 42 percent for almost his entire presidency. But, as I said, by all means keep pretending that he’s popular.
So Rasmussen isn't, by your standards legitimate?

Who then is so perfect as to garner your unquestioned respect?
And who the hell are YOU to qualify your statement with the condition of your standards?
Such arrogance only amplifies your incredulity.
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Democrats won the cumulative House vote by a wider margin than either party in any mid-term since 1986. That is a fact. They won the overall House vote in states representing well over 330 electoral votes. (Hell, they won the overall House vote by 5 percent or more in enough states to win a majority in the electoral college.). And they won the overall Senate vote by an even wider margin that they won the House. Looking only at seats won or lost ignores the effects of gerrymandering (in the House) and the types of states where seats were up in the Senate. Like I said, it was a crushing loss for the Republicans, but I’ll be thrilled if you guys keep rationalizing the loss in order to delude yourself that it wasn’t that bad.

The simple fact is that Trump is profoundly unpopular. That’s easily demonstrated. There was a Marist poll released just this morning that showed that 57% of registered voters say they are definitely voting against Trump in 2020. (They asked the same question about Obama in 2010 and 2011 and the number saying they would definitely vote against Obama peaked at 49%, which is almost exactly the percentage that ended up voting for Romney and third parties in 2012.)
The midterm elections are about the House and the Senate, not cumulative popular vote. Success is measured by the number of seats flipped and majorities attained. I note the absence of any attempt to explain how a pick up of 40 net House seats and a loss of 5 Senate seats is huge victory.

The closest proxy to the Presidential election is the statewide elections for Senate. Republicans picked up 5 additional seats. That's hardly a resounding defeat. Gosh, that arithmetic is pesky.

The faith that the Democrat clown car will issue forth a candidate capable of uniting the party to work towards an agenda and defeating Donald Trump is truly worthy of Pollyanna.
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This pissing contest is going to be entertaining.....

https://i1.wp.com/therightscoop.com/...pg?w=848&ssl=1
She deserves the rebuke. Her place for now is in DC working to get the gubmit working again. Legislation from the house is under her control. none happens without her participation whether or not she likes the sausage. That's her job and it is her sworn duty to do so.

BTW, the bitch is a f*cking liar as well. Here's her latest maladroit attempt to deceive ,,,;
https://godfatherpolitics.com/pelosi...-of-the-union/
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