House Democrats will move to reopen government as partial shutdown enters its 13th da

saltwn · #1 (**permalink**) 01-03-2019, 04:04 AM

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...es/2463374002/

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WASHINGTON – House Democrats will immediately put their new political power to the test on Thursday by moving to reopen the federal government, setting up a confrontation with President Donald Trump as a partial government shutdown enters its 13th day.

Democratic leaders have scheduled a pair of votes on a package of bills to end the shutdown and give Congress more time to negotiate a deal with the White House over border funding.

The votes will come shortly after Democratic leader Nancy Pelosi returns as House speaker and Democrats reclaim the majority for the first time in eight years.

But even if the bills are approved, as expected, the shutdown will likely go on. The package still must clear the GOP-controlled Senate, but Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., has said he won’t call for a vote on legislation to end the standoff unless it has Trump’s backing.

twitchy mitchy an d his politics over people

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The sticking point has been Trump’s insistence on $5 billion in funding for a border wall, even though he promised repeatedly during his presidential campaign that he’d make Mexico pay for the structure.

In a last-ditch effort to keep the government open, the House voted in late December, largely along party lines, to give Trump $5.7 billion for the wall in one of the then-GOP majority’s final acts. But that measure never got a vote in the Senate, guaranteeing the shutdown would begin two days later.

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Some national parks reported human feces, overflowing garbage, illegal off-roading and other damaging behavior. The shutdown has forced furloughs of hundreds of thousands of federal employees, leaving many parks without most of the rangers and others who staff campgrounds and otherwise keep parks running. Joshua Tree National Park in California closed its campgrounds after the loss of sanitation workers resulted in overflowing toilets.

Thousands of federal workers who have been placed on furlough or forced to work without pay are starting to wonder when they will see their next paycheck. In the past, including the 16-day shutdown in 2013, federal workers received back pay. But there’s no guarantee that will happen this time because it requires Congress and the White House to work together to pass a law mandating the back pay.

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jimbo · #2 (**permalink**) 01-03-2019, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by saltwn

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...es/2463374002/

twitchy mitchy an d his politics over people

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Of course the Dems will move now that they have control. That was the object of the opposition. To their credit, Trump bit.

GetAClue · #3 (**permalink**) 01-03-2019, 11:49 AM

The Government is shut down? Who knew? I know that my life isn't affected by a few overpaid government employee's sitting around doing nothing and not getting paid for it.

I wish they would permanently shut down large portions of our Federal Government as I feel it is severely bloated and is encroaching into areas not mandated by the Constitution.

I say, cut each department by 1/3 this year and then do the same next year. After that, see where we are at and then cut by half again. At that point, we might start getting it down to a manageable size.

Lumara · #4 (**permalink**) 01-03-2019, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by GetAClue

The Government is shut down? Who knew? I know that my life isn't affected by a few overpaid government employee's sitting around doing nothing and not getting paid for it.

If nonessential employees don't work during a shutdown and there is no difference to most people, the nonessential employees shouldn't even have government jobs. Government needs to shrink to only provide essential, constitutional functions.

AZRWinger · #5 (**permalink**) 01-03-2019, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by jimbo

Of course the Dems will move now that they have control. That was the object of the opposition. To their credit, Trump bit.

Just exactly was Trump to do? Sign another CR with no border wall money breaking his promise to build a border wall and to not sign another bad CR. Brilliant.

Trump pushed back when Democrats suddenly reversed course on building a wall after supporting it for years. Democrats supported the project to build virtual fence on the border it failed at a cost of $1 billion. Then Senator Obama and current minority leader Schumer voted for the secure fence act in 2006. But now Democrat Congressional leaders won't even listen to cabinet level updates on the border situation.

Trump waited in the WH while Democrats went on vacation promising not one penny for the wall no matter how many Federal workers had to be sacrificed to the Resistance.

jimbo · #6 (**permalink**) 01-03-2019, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by AZRWinger

Just exactly was Trump to do? Sign another CR with no border wall money breaking his promise to build a border wall and to not sign another bad CR. Brilliant.

Trump pushed back when Democrats suddenly reversed course on building a wall after supporting it for years. Democrats supported the project to build virtual fence on the border it failed at a cost of $1 billion. Then Senator Obama and current minority leader Schumer voted for the secure fence act in 2006. But now Democrat Congressional leaders won't even listen to cabinet level updates on the border situation.

Trump waited in the WH while Democrats went on vacation promising not one penny for the wall no matter how many Federal workers had to be sacrificed to the Resistance.

President Trump IMO should have done nothing. Above all else, stay off Twitter and make no comment. There was never going to be a budget until after the new Congress convened. Unless, of course the House Repubs actually presented a budget for his signature. Like that was going to happen.

The House had already been alerted that there was no worry, members would be given a two day heads up prior to any bill made its way to a vote. Trump can read Yahoo as well as I, so he knew this. The wait in the White House was more posturing to make a point.

The President proposes a budget. The President did that.

The House writes a budget bill, passes it, sends it on. House didn't do that.

Congress then sends it on for the President's signature. That didn't happen.

Until Jan 1, the Repub House are to blame. Now the Dems are getting inaugurated and passing bills and stuff. Even Socialist Girl figured this out.

The Dems are up to bat, and they lead 1-0.

lurch907 · #7 (**permalink**) 01-03-2019, 05:18 PM

I'm looking forward to the liberals here blaming the D's in the House for the remainder of the shutdown. I'm not going to hold my breath though.

If we can all look back to the last shutdown; the R controlled House passed multiple budgets on to the Senate that were never even put to committee by Harry Reed because they wouldn't pass the D controlled Senate or the D president. This was because the budgets didn't contain funding for the presidents signature project, so the shutdown continued and R's were universally blamed by liberals.
Now that we have the same situation with the D's and R's reversed, I'm sure the liberals here will be stepping right up to blame the D's for not ending the shutdown.

AZRWinger · #8 (**permalink**) 01-03-2019, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by jimbo

President Trump IMO should have done nothing. Above all else, stay off Twitter and make no comment. There was never going to be a budget until after the new Congress convened. Unless, of course the House Repubs actually presented a budget for his signature. Like that was going to happen.

The House had already been alerted that there was no worry, members would be given a two day heads up prior to any bill made its way to a vote. Trump can read Yahoo as well as I, so he knew this. The wait in the White House was more posturing to make a point.

The President proposes a budget. The President did that.

The House writes a budget bill, passes it, sends it on. House didn't do that.

Congress then sends it on for the President's signature. That didn't happen.

Until Jan 1, the Repub House are to blame. Now the Dems are getting inaugurated and passing bills and stuff. Even Socialist Girl figured this out.

The Dems are up to bat, and they lead 1-0.

Done nothing? Just sit by passively while Democrats bray about "winning" the fight to keep the border open for illegal immigrants. Wow, what a grand idea.

jimbo · #9 (**permalink**) 01-03-2019, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by AZRWinger

Done nothing? Just sit by passively while Democrats bray about "winning" the fight to keep the border open for illegal immigrants. Wow, what a grand idea.

Let them bray. They're going to that anyway.

President Trump did not get his wall. Balless Republicans could have brought a budget to the floor and didn't, and the Democrats now get to make the budget. And President Trump gets blamed for it all.

saltwn · #10 (**permalink**) 01-04-2019, 02:18 AM

from the WSJ:

House Passes Spending Package in Bid to End Shutdown

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With a partial government shutdown approaching two full weeks, the House voted, 241-190, on Thursday night to approve a package that included six uncontroversial spending bills crafted in the Senate that would fund most of the government through September. To separate the feud over the border wall, Democrats also passed a stopgap spending bill funding the Department of Homeland Security, which oversees the wall, through Feb. 8.

“What we are asking President Trump and Senate Republicans to do is take yes for an answer,” House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D., Calif.) told reporters Thursday evening. “The president cannot hold public employees hostage because he wants to have a wall.”

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The House package includes six spending bills that have bipartisan support in the Senate. The bills would reopen the nine federal agencies affected by the shutdown: the Environmental Protection Agency and the Departments of Justice, State, Housing and Urban Development, Transportation, Treasury, Agriculture, Commerce and Interior.

The short-term homeland security bill would extend current funding for the department, including money for fencing, bollard barriers, levees and technology—but not a concrete wall. Republicans have said those funds constitute wall money, while the Democrats frame the package as funding border security and not a wall.

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