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Old 01-04-2019, 08:36 AM
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Let them bray. They're going to that anyway.

President Trump did not get his wall. Balless Republicans could have brought a budget to the floor and didn't, and the Democrats now get to make the budget. And President Trump gets blamed for it all.
President Trump gets blamed for everything anyway, that's a given. Since they took control of the House Democrats get to make the budget. You still haven't explained how Trump would have been better off doing nothing. If he hadn't fought for the wall the Resistance media AKA Democrat propagandists would be smearing him yet again for breaking a campaign promise.

Agree about the weak knees of Congressional Republican leaders especially Paul Ryan.
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More meaningless political grandstanding by hyperpartisan Democrats. After refusing to negotiate or even listen to a briefing by cabinet officials, no facts, just blind Resistance the Democrats insist they are giving Trump a yes.
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Old 01-04-2019, 08:52 AM
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I'm looking forward to the liberals here blaming the D's in the House for the remainder of the shutdown. I'm not going to hold my breath though.

If we can all look back to the last shutdown; the R controlled House passed multiple budgets on to the Senate that were never even put to committee by Harry Reed because they wouldn't pass the D controlled Senate or the D president. This was because the budgets didn't contain funding for the presidents signature project, so the shutdown continued and R's were universally blamed by liberals.
Now that we have the same situation with the D's and R's reversed, I'm sure the liberals here will be stepping right up to blame the D's for not ending the shutdown.
Why would any rational person blame the Democrats for choosing not to spend billions of taxpayer dollars for a project Donald Trump promised, over and over again, would be paid for by Mexico?
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Why would any rational person blame the Democrats for choosing not to spend billions of taxpayer dollars for a project Donald Trump promised, over and over again, would be paid for by Mexico?
They will. We were promised obamacare would lower healthcare costs, lower insurance premiums, allow you to keep your current insurance and doctor, etc., all untrue.
Care to address the point now?
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Why would any rational person blame the Democrats for choosing not to spend billions of taxpayer dollars for a project Donald Trump promised, over and over again, would be paid for by Mexico?
Any rational person would conclude the Democrats are playing politics with national security. Democrats supported building fences and the failed attempt to build a virtual wall but because Trump wants to build a wall, well that's a waste. Democrat leaders insisted on backroom negotiations, refused to listen to Federal officials on the frontlines of border security and now work the same old con of trust us, we want border security. A reasonable person looking at their actions would have to conclude they are just playing partisan games.

A rational person would see that giving Mexico a veto over building the wall is a mindless pretext for undermining national security. Mexico's two largest sources of foreign exchange are illegal drugs and remittances from illegal immigrants, it's only rational Mexicans would refuse to willingly pay for a wall that would cut into that cash flow.

Democrats are letting the irrational Resistance to Trump compromise national security.
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President Trump gets blamed for everything anyway, that's a given. Since they took control of the House Democrats get to make the budget. You still haven't explained how Trump would have been better off doing nothing. If he hadn't fought for the wall the Resistance media AKA Democrat propagandists would be smearing him yet again for breaking a campaign promise.

Agree about the weak knees of Congressional Republican leaders especially Paul Ryan.
IMO what President Trump would have gained is raising himself above the fray. The House would have nothing to blame the President for. Not that they would not have attempted to blame him. They would have. But they would not have a focal point.

Who knows, Ryan may have brought a budget to the floor and gotten it passed. Not likely, but possible.

Now Nancy is all in with 4 aces and Trump has a pair of nothings.

Nancy has brought up and passed a bill. No surprise there. It will go to Senate. Repubs will have to reject or send it to the President's desk.


Reject, Repub Senate takes the heat.

Send it forward, Trump has a bill on his desk he cannot sign and cannot not sign.

Dumb political move of the year. Thanks Paul.
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IMO what President Trump would have gained is raising himself above the fray. The House would have nothing to blame the President for. Not that they would not have attempted to blame him. They would have. But they would not have a focal point.

Who knows, Ryan may have brought a budget to the floor and gotten it passed. Not likely, but possible.

Now Nancy is all in with 4 aces and Trump has a pair of nothings.

Nancy has brought up and passed a bill. No surprise there. It will go to Senate. Repubs will have to reject or send it to the President's desk.


Reject, Repub Senate takes the heat.

Send it forward, Trump has a bill on his desk he cannot sign and cannot not sign.

Dumb political move of the year. Thanks Paul.
Oh please, Trump is the object of Resistance hatred. Has been since he won the nomination. There is no above the fray, there is only push back against the Democrats corrupt agenda or be overrun with it.

Trump has many faults but being overly passive isn't one of them. That's what allowed him to beat Jeb! and the rest of the go along, get along Democrat lite candidates.

Nancy isn't holding aces, far from it, she is a hostage to the far Left brainless radicals and rabid Resistance kamikazes running her party. Why do you think she was begging Trump to make the cameras leave? She didn't want to even discuss concessions publicly.
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They will. We were promised obamacare would lower healthcare costs, lower insurance premiums, allow you to keep your current insurance and doctor, etc., all untrue.
Care to address the point now?
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They will. We were promised obamacare would lower healthcare costs, lower insurance premiums, allow you to keep your current insurance and doctor, etc., all untrue.
Care to address the point now?


That's a trick question, isn't it? I'm betting even money plus one on No.
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