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Default FBI agent Peter Strzok’s hearing has become a ridiculous circus

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...earing-mueller

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FBI agent Peter Strzok’s testimony before Congress on Thursday collapsed into a full-on partisan circus, with Republican and Democratic members shouting at each other, House Judiciary Chair Bob Goodlatte threatening to hold Strzok in contempt, and Democrats staging an over-the-top political stunt.

Strzok is the career FBI counterintelligence agent whom President Donald Trump says was at the center of a secret FBI plot to thwart his presidential ambitions and elect Hillary Clinton.

Strzok oversaw the probe into Hillary Clinton’s use of a private email server in 2016 and was also involved in special counsel Robert Mueller’s Russia investigation.

During the 2016 presidential campaign, Strzok exchanged a series of text messages with Lisa Page, an FBI lawyer with whom he was having an affair, that were critical of Trump. In one particularly controversial exchange, Page texted Strzok that she was worried Trump might win. “No. No, he won’t. We’ll stop it,” Strzok reassured her.

Trump and many of his Republican allies have seized on these text messages as proof of anti-Trump bias in the FBI and to discredit the Mueller probe — the investigation Trump calls a “Rigged Witch Hunt.”

His appearance before a joint session of the House Judiciary and House Oversight Committees on Thursday was the first time he had publicly testified before Congress since the revelations about his texts.

It was bound to be a contentious hearing — and so far, it has been.

Democratic Rep. Elijah Cummings (MD), the ranking member of the House Oversight Committee, immediately accused Reps. Goodlatte and Trey Gowdy (R-SC), the chair of the House Oversight Committee, of deliberately trying to interfere with the special counsel investigation after Mueller obtained five guilty pleas from people associated with the Trump campaign in recent months.

And Cummings brought along some pretty spectacular signs to make the point.

As he spoke, Democratic staffers held huge signs with the names and photos of the five people affiliated with the Trump campaign who have already pleaded guilty in the Mueller probe: former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn, former Trump campaign aide Rick Gates, former Trump campaign foreign policy adviser George Papadopoulos, London lawyer Alexander van der Zwaan, and Richard Pinedo, a California man who committed identity theft as part of the Russian election interference campaign.

Republicans first objected to the sign-holding, but seemed to back off when Democrats asked them to cite which rules the signs violated. The signs stayed up as Cummings listed what Flynn et al had pleaded guilty to and slammed Republicans for interfering with the advancement of the Trump-Russia probe.

As the hearing continued, lawmakers fought over what kinds of questions Strzok should be obligated to answer.

Gowdy’s very first question for Strzok — about how many witnesses he had interviewed in the opening days of Russia probe — sparked a huge debate. Strzok responded that he was not permitted to answer the question based on instructions from the FBI. Then Goodlatte threatened to hold Strzok in contempt for not answering the question.

“Mr. Strzok, you are under subpoena and are required to answer the question,” Goodlatte said.

Democratic lawmakers interrupted Goodlatte and objected loudly in defense of Strzok.

“This demand puts Mr. Strzok in an impossible position,” Jerry Nadler, the top Democrat on the House Judiciary Committee, responded. “If we have a problem with this policy we should take it up with the FBI, not badger Mr. Strzok.”

Strzok then asked to speak to the FBI general counsel before answering the question.

When Goodlatte responded that Strzok could only consult “with your own counsel,” that set off another testy exchange. Per CNN:

“Mr. Chairman, there’s no basis for that,” protested the top Judiciary Democrat, Rep. Jerry Nadler of New York. “He can consult with the FBI counsel, he’s an FBI employee.”

”The gentleman is not recognized,” Goodlatte responded.

”And the chairman is not being proper,” Nadler shot back.

At one point, Strzok suggested that his removal from the special counsel’s Russia investigation was driven by optics. “It is not my understanding that he kicked me off because of any bias ... it was done based on the appearance,” Strzok said, adding that he “didn’t appreciate” the way Gowdy was framing the issue.

Gowdy replied, “I don’t give a damn what you appreciate Agent Strzok.”

“I don’t appreciate having an FBI agent with an unprecedented level of animus working on two major investigations during 2016,” Gowdy added.

The stakes are high here, which may explain the tense nature of the hearing. If Strzok’s defense of his past actions is received well by the public, he could potentially deal a serious blow to the power of right-wing narratives about FBI corruption.

But if he comes off looking bad it will do damage to the credibility of the Mueller probe — and Mueller’s ability to investigate the full extent of Trumpworld’s relationship with Russia.
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A biased hearing that couldn't prove any actual bias in Peter Strzok's actions on the job. And this is after the IG report saying there wasn't bias in the actual work of the FBI.

If this is the best Republicans can do, ooof.
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A biased hearing that couldn't prove any actual bias in Peter Strzok's actions on the job. And this is after the IG report saying there wasn't bias in the actual work of the FBI.

If this is the best Republicans can do, ooof.
Let me guess, you think today's Strzokfest went well for him the FBI the democrats and the whole Trump collusion narrative? Of course you do!
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A biased hearing that couldn't prove any actual bias in Peter Strzok's actions on the job. And this is after the IG report saying there wasn't bias in the actual work of the FBI.

If this is the best Republicans can do, ooof.
Yep he accounted for himself well. And asked if the questioner thought all the people above and below him in the vast organization called the FBI were in on the conspiracy. I love it when real cops get to testify to congress.
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It depends upon what the meaning of "is" is.

Only in this case, the meaning of "we". Apparently after having your texts out your bias, those terms come into play. The American public is supposed to believe that when he said that "We will stop him" when referring to the election of Trump, he want's us to believe he was referring to the American voters. Never mind he was heading up an investigation into Trump along with other like minded agents. But somehow he was referring to the entire voting public.

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It depends upon what the meaning of "is" is.

Only in this case, the meaning of "we". Apparently after having your texts out your bias, those terms come into play. The American public is supposed to believe that when he said that "We will stop him" when referring to the election of Trump, he want's us to believe he was referring to the American voters. Never mind he was heading up an investigation into Trump along with other like minded agents. But somehow he was referring to the entire voting public.

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yes. he texted it in the context of trump having just insulted a gold star family. he didnt think the american people would stand for that.
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Yep he accounted for himself well. And asked if the questioner thought all the people above and below him in the vast organization called the FBI were in on the conspiracy. I love it when real cops get to testify to congress.
The general public's perception is not that Strzork accounted well for himself. Strzork basically screwed the pooch and made himself look worse than he did before he appeared. Not that all the senators on both sides did not pretty much do the same. Those kinds of "on air" hearings tend to devolve into dog and pony shows.

It is said that Lisa Page conducted herself much better, but then her hearing was behind closed doors.
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The general public's perception is not that Strzork accounted well for himself. Strzork basically screwed the pooch and made himself look worse than he did before he appeared. Not that all the senators on both sides did not pretty much do the same. Those kinds of "on air" hearings tend to devolve into dog and pony shows.

It is said that Lisa Page conducted herself much better, but then her hearing was behind closed doors.
yeah those who watched it think he was credible and patriotic as opposed to obviously agenda driven republican house.
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yeah those who watched it think he was credible and patriotic as opposed to obviously agenda driven republican house.
Got a source for that claim? No? Not that I have no doubt that is what you thought, but thankfully you don't speak for anyone else. And hell, you don't speak too well for yourself too often either. It is what it is, which is obvious wishful hyper partisan BS. Nice really lazy try, no cigar.
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It depends upon what the meaning of "is" is.

Only in this case, the meaning of "we". Apparently after having your texts out your bias, those terms come into play. The American public is supposed to believe that when he said that "We will stop him" when referring to the election of Trump, he want's us to believe he was referring to the American voters. Never mind he was heading up an investigation into Trump along with other like minded agents. But somehow he was referring to the entire voting public.

If you believe this, I've got a bridge to sell you.
Peter Strzok is a lying a$$hole. They should have put that worthless piece of bovine excrement under oath before letting him say anything in front of congress.
He is biased.
He is a liar.

I don't normally want divorced couples to f@*k each other over, but in this case, I hope his wife f@*k's him over good and plenty. I can't trust the word of anybody that would cheat on a spouse.
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