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Franc what do you think of Trump Walking into the dressing rooms of his Teen Pageants to look at the naked contestants?
Trump admitted (bragged about) this on the radio to Howard Stern. several pageant contestants confirm it. Is that resign worthy?

Yes or No?

Yes But...

No because...
I think that was show business. Been there myself and it doesn't make me a perve.

When, as President he does the same, that would be different. Curious how prudish many become when they judge a person they don't like, and how forgivingly blind when it is a personality they do.

Again, I repeat, I never "liked" THE DFONALD but I didn't judge him by the media hype. I still don't. And given the choices presented by the Democrats and the GOP, who amoung them doesn't have an objectionable behavior to someone's standards?
And when it got down to Hilary and Trump,,,; no contest on the morality metric. In my opinion she was a lying bit of evil in our politics since 1973.

With that as the benchmark for 2016, I don't have to explain my vote for TRUMP
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You have barged into women's dressing rooms and you are not a perve? Really? I knew the Donald was flawless.
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I think that was show business. Been there myself and it doesn't make me a perve.

When, as President he does the same, that would be different. Curious how prudish many become when they judge a person they don't like, and how forgivingly blind when it is a personality they do.

Again, I repeat, I never "liked" THE DFONALD but I didn't judge him by the media hype. I still don't. And given the choices presented by the Democrats and the GOP, who amoung them doesn't have an objectionable behavior to someone's standards?
And when it got down to Hilary and Trump,,,; no contest on the morality metric. In my opinion she was a lying bit of evil in our politics since 1973.

With that as the benchmark for 2016, I don't have to explain my vote for TRUMP
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And Now, back to our regularly scheduled subject matter. Senator Al Franken

He quit. Because he is apparently guilty as charged. As or Judge Moore,,,;it was a mendaciously revengeful lie. Turns out, Judge Roy Moore ruled against Ms. Nelson in a 1999 divorce case, supplying the motive for her deceit.

The left siezed on it and sacrificed their own( can you say Al Franken and congressman Conoyer ) in order to make the public believe he should resign his candidacy.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...rged-yearbook/

The allegations , which had never seen the light of day during his entire political career, were false. Red meat for the lefty media, the Democratic party and Liberals across the country,,,; and they jumped on it. Now ya'll can choke on it.
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I defended Moore at first, then I heard the Hannity interview. Sean couldn't coach him up enough . Listen to it then tell me it is revenge for some divorce case. Also, why did so many Republicans turn on him so quickly if there is nothing to it?
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And Now, back to our regularly scheduled subject matter. Senator Al Franken

He quit. Because he is apparently guilty as charged. As or Judge Moore,,,;it was a mendaciously revengeful lie. Turns out, Judge Roy Moore ruled against Ms. Nelson in a 1999 divorce case, supplying the motive for her deceit.

The left siezed on it and sacrificed their own( can you say Al Franken and congressman ) in order to make the public believe he should resign his candidacy.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...rged-yearbook/

The allegations , which had never seen the light of day during his entire political career, were false. Red meat for the lefty media, the Democratic party and Liberals across the country,,,; and they jumped on it. Now ya'll can choke on it.
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I defended Moore at first, then I heard the Hannity interview. Sean couldn't coach him up enough . Listen to it then tell me it is revenge for some divorce case. Also, why did so many Republicans turn on him so quickly if there is nothing to it?
How does any of that change the facts?

I heard the same interview. Moore said he could not remember the details of every encounter during his long life. Only a biased mind would conclude absolute guilt from what was said. As such, that conclusion of guilt, or innocence would not be "factual."

I'm curious why you have a problem with the logic of that argument.
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I can tell you right now when I was thirty I wasn't doing high school girls. I would think every other honorable man could comfortably say that too. But being partisan causes one to lower their standards...a lot.
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How does any of that change the facts?

I heard the same interview. Moore said he could not remember the details of every encounter during his long life. Only a biased mind would conclude absolute guilt from what was said. As such, that conclusion of guilt, or innocence would not be "factual."

I'm curious why you have a problem with the logic of that argument.
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I think that was show business. Been there myself and it doesn't make me a perve.

When, as President he does the same, that would be different. Curious how prudish many become when they judge a person they don't like, and how forgivingly blind when it is a personality they do.

......

With that (HILLARY) as the benchmark for 2016, I don't have to explain my vote for TRUMP
OK so lets just be clear , it's OK if people in "show business" do it? seriously?
Wasn't Al Franken in show business too?

Sorry Franc it's not "prudish" to think that Donald Trump walking through the Teen pageants dressing room to "inspect" the naked young girls is PERV-ISH.
it's class A PERVE activity.
and Unless you were a college guy running through the girls locker room to look at the girls then yes Franc it means you were a perve too. When we were in high school and college most of us guys did some slezzy crap. but As a rule many of us realized that if we tried that crap on the job, or in public as an "adult" we'd be called a perv and/or be written up, fired or end up in court.

Look if Trump or Al Franken wanted remain in show biz fine by me.

But somehow I suspect if you were the father of one of the girls and saw Trump making his way into the dressing room where you knew your daughter was nude you might find yourself a bit "prudish".
Funny how prudish we can become when it's our own family being peep and groped.
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OK so lets just be clear , it's OK if people in "show business" do it? seriously?
Wasn't Al Franken in show business too?

Sorry Franc it's not "prudish" to think that Donald Trump walking through the Teen pageants dressing room to "inspect" the naked young girls is PERV-ISH.
it's class A PERVE activity.
and Unless you were a college guy running through the girls locker room to look at the girls then yes Franc it means you were a perve too. When we were in high school and college most of us guys did some slezzy crap. but As a rule many of us realized that if we tried that crap on the job, or in public as an "adult" we'd be called a perv and/or be written up, fired or end up in court.

Look if Trump or Al Franken wanted remain in show biz fine by me.

But somehow I suspect if you were the father of one of the girls and saw Trump making his way into the dressing room where you knew your daughter was nude you might find yourself a bit "prudish".
Funny how prudish we can become when it's our own family being peep and groped.
When you say "let's be clear," that isn't a license to alter what someone said to what you want it to mean for the convenience of your point. The truth of the matter is that Trump's behavior was completely expectable for what he was at the ages of twenty, thirty even forty, in the industry in which he was engaged. Now his industry is politics. Do we judge him by his youth or by his current manners?

When you find a man honest enough, and sinless enough to meet your standards of purity through out his life, explain why he would be interested in running for President. Or better, how he managed to meet all the fluid moral standards of our society over the last 70 years.

Bill Clinton wanted to be President from his early youth. Somehow, despite is carnal history, his abuse of women and the law, he managed to be a fairly competent President. All without remaining Christ like and wholesome for 45 years before being elected and for years of immorality since. Hasn't changed his record as POTUS.

The problem facing the Democratic party right now is their constant besmirchment of Republican sex scandals whilst ignoring the mess in their own house. Their Hypocrisy has come home to roost. Calling out the past fallacies of a man, who isn't even a politician, much less a Republican, much less a conservative,,,; is rather specious and silly don't you think?

BTW, If I was one of the fathers who allowed my daughter to be in that position, I would have little about which to hold anyone but myself accountable. Pageants are fluff, stuff and pretty poses but you are foolish if you believe sex, and sexism, isn't the center of their attraction. Seriously are you really that intolerant of those in that industry?
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Unbelievable. No, the sad thing is, it isn't unbelievable. In fact, I Think I predicted this, Trump is flawless.
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When you say "let's be clear," that isn't a license to alter what someone said to what you want it to mean for the convenience of your point. The truth of the matter is that Trump's behavior was completely expectable for what he was at the ages of twenty, thirty even forty, in the industry in which he was engaged. Now his industry is politics. Do we judge him by his youth or by his current manners?

When you find a man honest enough, and sinless enough to meet your standards of purity through out his life, explain why he would be interested in running for President. Or better, how he managed to meet all the fluid moral standards of our society over the last 70 years.

Bill Clinton wanted to be President from his early youth. Somehow, despite is carnal history, his abuse of women and the law, he managed to be a fairly competent President. All without remaining Christ like and wholesome for 45 years before being elected and for years of immorality since. Hasn't changed his record as POTUS.

The problem facing the Democratic party right now is their constant besmirchment of Republican sex scandals whilst ignoring the mess in their own house. Their Hypocrisy has come home to roost. Calling out the past fallacies of a man, who isn't even a politician, much less a Republican, much less a conservative,,,; is rather specious and silly don't you think?

BTW, If I was one of the fathers who allowed my daughter to be in that position, I would have little about which to hold anyone but myself accountable. Pageants are fluff, stuff and pretty poses but you are foolish if you believe sex, and sexism, isn't the center of their attraction. Seriously are you really that intolerant of those in that industry?
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When you say "let's be clear," that isn't a license to alter what someone said to what you want it to mean for the convenience of your point.
please take note of the question marks after my questions. giving you an op to clarify your position... which you have, in a way that's well... disappointing.

But I will reply to one of your points
"When you find a man honest enough,..."
OK, on the R team how about Ben Carson, Ron Paul and Rand Paul, I think they'd fit the profile well enough. After them just in this last 2 election cycles probably Carly Fiorina, John Kasich, Mike Huckabee (maybe), Bobby Jindal, Michele Bachmann, Mitt Romney...

I suspect they'd likely NOT have the skezzy background and lifetime of "expectable" showbiz morals of Trump that needed to be overlooked. And ANY of them probably...definitely... knows more about the U.S. gov't than Trump.
so please don't pretend EVERYONE running for office is as scummy as Trump. or generally decent folks are IMPOSSIBLE to find.
Trump was NOT even CLOSE to the best available choice.
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