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After President Trump wisely chose the Democrats alternative to raise the debt ceiling and fund hurricane relief . The measure funds the government until early December.

The supposedly fiscally responsible Republican Congressional leaders first proposed raising the debt ceiling and funding the government for another 18 months. Later modified the proposal to 6 months. Gotta save that Chistmas vacation.

17 Senators, all Republicans, sided with Mitch McConnell's avoid work proposal and voted against hurricane aid as well. Brilliant.

Here's Who Voted Against Harvey Funding | The Daily Caller

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Republican senators were the only ones to vote against a measure to advance a bill that would provide emergency relief funding to the victims of Hurricane Harvey and temporarily raise the debt ceiling and fund the government through mid-December.
President Trump neatly forced Republican leadership from their torpor, positioned the rest of the party as favoring hurricane relief, reached across the aisle and isolated a block of Republican Senators intent on underming his agenda anyway. Not bad for the purported political novice.
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Aren't all those 17 opposed to increasing the US governments debt?
I'm kinda opposed to increasing my personl debt.
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Aren't all those 17 opposed to increasing the US governments debt?
I'm kinda opposed to increasing my personl debt.
I am likewise opposed to increasing the debt. The problem is Republican Congressional leaders failed to address the spending problem then took a month long vacation as the deadline loomed. To make matters worse they wanted a debt ceiling increase and spending authorization for the next 18 months. There is no guarantee Republican Congressional leaders will work on cutting spending or tax reform in the next 3 months but they sure were not going to work on them with an 18 month reprieve.
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Debt Tops $20 Trillion for First Time; Jumps $317,645,000,000 in 1 Day...

It's Official: Debt Tops $20 Trillion for First Time; Jumps $317,645,000,000 in 1 Day
September 11, 2017 | The federal debt officially surpassed $20 trillion for the first time on Friday, as the debt subject to the legal limit set by Congress jumped $317,645,000,000 in one day--following President Donald Trump's signing of a spending-and-debt-limit deal that will fund the government through Dec. 8.
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At the close of business on Thursday, Sept. 7, according to the Daily Treasury Statement for Friday, the total debt of the federal government was $19,844,587,000,000 and the portion of it subject to the legal limit set by Congress was $19,808,747,000. After President Trump signed the legislation suspending the debt limit, the total debt immediately jumped to $20,162,177,000,000 and the portion of it subject to the limit jumped to $20,126,392,000,000, according to the Daily Treasury Statement for Sept. 8, 2017. That means the total debt jumped $317,590,000,000 on the day it officially topped $20 trillion for the first time and that the part of the debt subject to the legal limit jumped $317,645,000,000 on that day. The one-day changes to the debt are memorialized in Table III-C of Friday's Daily Treasury Statement. Here is a screen shot of that table:


The data presented on the Treasury Department's "Debt to the Penny" page also shows that Friday was the first time that the total debt of the federal government ever topped $20 trillion. According to the "Debt to the Penny" chart, the highest previous level of the federal debt before Friday was on Dec. 30, 2016, when the total debt hit $19,976,826,951,047.80--just $23,173,948,952.20 below the $20 trillion mark. From March 16 through Sept. 7, every Daily Treasury Statement showed the total federal debt subject to the legal limit opening and closing each day at $19,808,747,000,000. That was because the previous suspension of the debt limit had expired on March 15 and the debt limit had been reset at the level the debt reached at the close of business that day--which was $19,808,772,381,624.74. The Treasury then started using what it calls "extraordinary measures" to keep the debt subject to the limit about $25 milion below the limit. Here is a screen capture of Table III-C from the March 16 Daily Treasury Statement, which shows that the debt limit had been reset that day at $19,808,772,381,624.74. It also shows that the debt subject to the limit opened and closed that day at $19,808,747,000,000:


Here is Table III-C of the Daily Treasury Statement for Sept. 7--the day before President Trump signed his spending-and-debt-limit deal. Like the Daily Treasury Statement for March 16, it shows the debt subject to the limit (held down by "extraordinary measures") opening and closing the day at $19,808,747,000,000:


https://www.cnsnews.com/news/article...45000000-1-day
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McCain: 'We Have Got to Spend More Money on Defense'
September 11, 2017 | John McCain was one of 17 Senate Republicans to vote against a hurricane relief bill that included a short-term debt-limit extension as well as a continuing resolution to keep the government funded at current levels for the next three months.
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McCain said the deal struck by Democrats and President Trump last week is "devastating" to national defense because it freezes defense funding at last year's level, "which is a cut of $52 billion." "We have got to spend more money on defense," McCain told CNN's "State of the Union" with Jake Tapper on Sunday.

He noted that President Trump campaigned on a promise to rebuild the military: We've had 185 service members have lost their lives in noncombat actions over the last three years. We've lost -- only 44 were killed in combat. And that's because our leadership, military and others, have told us that our military capabilities and readiness is declining. You know, not often that I like to make -- to give quotes but I think that it's important to recognize that the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff said that if we continue on this road, we've lost our advantage over our potential adversaries, not to mention putting the lives of these brave men and women at risk because we're not giving them the training, the equipment and the capabilities they need. That's unconscionable. And this agreement basically freezes last year's funding in place, which is a cut of $52 billion. Now this is a president that campaigned and said, 'I'm going to rebuild the military. We're going to increase that.' Well, that's not something that I can stand for. I believe my first obligation as chairman of the Armed Services Committee is to make sure the men and women who are serving in our military have everything they need. Under this agreement they not only don't have everything they need their lives are in greater danger. We can't do that to them.

McCain said training, readiness and maintenance are the first things to go when defense spending is pinched: "This is a product of the last eight years, not the product of this year," he said. "So I appreciate the president's commitment, but we have got to spend more money on defense, given we're in the most turbulent world we've been in the last 70 years. I don't want to make a lecture, but at the end of World War II, we designed a new world order, the longest point of peace and prosperity in history. "That is now unraveling, and I don't have to tell you all the places in the world where it's unraveling. This requires a stronger national defense, a stronger military. I mean, look at crisis we're facing in North Korea. This is really serious," McCain said.

https://www.cnsnews.com/news/article...-money-defense
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Record 73.3% of School Lunches Served in FY16 Were Free or Reduced Price
September 12, 2017 Of the 5,052,222,946 school lunches served in Fiscal Year 2016, 73.3 percent of them -- the highest percentage on record -- were either free or reduced price meals, according to data posted on September 8, 2017 by the Agriculture Department's Food and Nutrition Service.
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Free lunches comprised two-thirds (66.6 percent) of all lunches served in that school year; and reduced-price lunches comprised 6.7 percent. Students paid full price for the remaining 26.7 percent in Fiscal 2016, the latest year for which data is available. (FY 2016 covers the 12-month period beginning in Oct. 2015 and running through Sept. 2016. It roughly coincides with the 2015-2016 school year.) The percentage of free or reduced price meals served in public and non-profit private schools has steadily risen in each of the last nine years, from 59.3 percent in Fiscal Year 2007, to 73.3 percent in FY 2016, according to data compiled by the Food and Nutrition Service (FNS). Children from families with incomes at or below 130 percent of the federal poverty level are eligible for free meals. Those with incomes between 130 and 185 percent of the federal poverty level are eligible for reduced price meals.

In FY 2016, a total of 31,168,859 students participated in the federal government's school lunch program, and while that number is high, it is not a record. But the number of students getting free meals may continue to rise, depending on how many school systems do what New York City just did. School lunch is now free for all public school students in New York City, regardless of income. That's because New York City has enrolled in the federal government's Community Eligibility Provision (CEP), an Agriculture Department program that allows school districts or individual schools in high-poverty areas to provide free meals to all enrolled students if at least 40 percent of those students already are enrolled in other means-tested programs, such as SNAP, for example.

New York City Schools Chancellor Carmen Fariña announced on Sept. 6, 2017 that enrollment in CEP will provide an additional 200,000 New York City students with free lunches starting this school year. Last school year, 75 percent of New York City students were eligible for free lunch. “We know that students cannot learn or thrive in school if they are hungry all day,” Mayor Bill de Blasio said in a news release last week. “Free school lunch will not only ensure that every kid in New York City has the fuel they need to succeed but also further our goal of providing an excellent and equitable education for all students.” The Community Eligibility Provision, now operating in all 50 states, the District of Columbia, and Guam, was authorized by Congress as a part of the Healthy, Hunger-Free Kids Act of 2010. A USDA fact sheet said the program benefits "everyone."

It notes that schools enrolled in CEP no longer have to collect and verify household applications to determine students' eligibility for school meal programs. And they won't have to keep track of how many meals are free, reduced price, or paid. CEP also allows "streamlined meal service" in school cafeterias, where students will have more time to eat because they don't have to wait in line at the cashier. The fact sheet also said parents won't have to worry about their children's lunch accounts; and students will benefit by getting nutritious meals without the "stigma" of being viewed as too poor to afford lunch. According to the School Nutrition Association, school meal prices vary widely across the country and are set by local school districts. In the 2015-2016 school year, the average price for paid meals was $2.34 in elementary school, $2.54 for middle school, and $2.60 in high school.

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After President Trump wisely chose the Democrats alternative to raise the debt ceiling and fund hurricane relief . The measure funds the government until early December.

The supposedly fiscally responsible Republican Congressional leaders first proposed raising the debt ceiling and funding the government for another 18 months. Later modified the proposal to 6 months. Gotta save that Chistmas vacation.

17 Senators, all Republicans, sided with Mitch McConnell's avoid work proposal and voted against hurricane aid as well. Brilliant.

Here's Who Voted Against Harvey Funding | The Daily Caller



President Trump neatly forced Republican leadership from their torpor, positioned the rest of the party as favoring hurricane relief, reached across the aisle and isolated a block of Republican Senators intent on underming his agenda anyway. Not bad for the purported political novice.
n o they wanted to get safely past the elections
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The few who voted against the Harvey relief bill wanted a way to pay for it without increasing our debt. Rand Paul proposed an amendment to the bill that would have diverted unspent foreign aid funds to Harvey relief. That made a lot of sense, but it didn't even make it out of committee, proving the continued fiscal IRresponsibility of the majority in Congress.
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The few who voted against the Harvey relief bill wanted a way to pay for it without increasing our debt. Rand Paul proposed an amendment to the bill that would have diverted unspent foreign aid funds to Harvey relief. That made a lot of sense, but it didn't even make it out of committee, proving the continued fiscal IRresponsibility of the majority in Congress.
so you think they should have voted for harvey relief but kicked the debt down the road a year plus longer than they did?
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so you think they should have voted for harvey relief but kicked the debt down the road a year plus longer than they did?
How the heck did you get that from what I wrote??? No, they should have used foreign aid funds instead like Rand Paul's amendment would have done. That's what I said and I didn't use any big words.
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n o they wanted to get safely past the elections
Don't know about safely, but Congressional Republican leadership wanted to avoid tackling tough issues before the election. Trump called them on it by siding with the Democrats for a 3 month extension.
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How the heck did you get that from what I wrote??? No, they should have used foreign aid funds instead like Rand Paul's amendment would have done. That's what I said and I didn't use any big words.
The amendment sounds good but was it worth shutting down the government? Again the problem is Republican Congressional leaders who wouldn't allow it out of committee.

Thanks to President Trump Senator Paul will have another shot at offsets for hurricane relief spending in short order.
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