Originally Posted by GottaGo

Originally Posted by ShivaTD

Let's apply the "rule of law" to this.

The police stop a person for whatever reason. They run a criminal check on the person and no warrants appear. When local law enforcement is done the person is released because there are no outstanding warrant against the person.

The person then later commits a murder. WTF difference does it make if the person was an illegal alien or a natural born citizen?

The rule of law requires the government to secure an arrest warrant to authorize law enforcement to detain the person. Our immigration laws are federal laws and the federal government is responsible for the investigations of violations of federal law and to obtain the arrest warrant.

It is not the role or responsibility of local and state law enforcement agencies to perform federal law enforcement investigations. They're not even trained for this law enforcement activity. They're authorized state law enforcement agencies and the enforcement of state and local law is their role and responsibility. The only responsibility that local and state law enforcement has related to federal crimes is to detain a person if there's an outstanding federal warrant for their arrest.

That is the Rule of Law in the United States.

Note: Being in the United States without proper documentation is not a criminal offense under federal law. It's an administrative civil offense. Local law enforcement releasing a person that has not been charged with a criminal offense, and that local law enforcement has no reason to suspect the person of committing a criminal offense, is not grounds for the condemnation of local law enforcement's actions. Just because someone "hates Mexicans" it doesn't provide a legal foundation for condemnation of the actions of local law enforcements role and responsibility to enforce the criminal laws of the state and communities within the state.

All issues of enforcement of our immigration laws falls under federal jurisdiction and not state jurisdiction. If there are complaints then direct those complaints at the law enforcement agencies that have jurisdiction.

I have a complaint. ICE is spending it's resources arresting, processing, and deporting undocumented aliens that don't represent a threat to the public safety. This is tying up there personnel that should be focused on tracking down, arresting, and processing undocumented criminal aliens that do represent a threat to the public safety. Unable to be in two places at the same time it means that ICE is allowing threats to our public safety, it's allowing that violent criminal illegal alien, to continue to walk the streets of the United States and commit murder while it's wasting it's manpower and resources deporting the woman that used a SSN not belonging to her to get a job.

Immigration law enforcement needs to be focused on the threat to the public safety instead of it's current focus on those that don't represent a threat to our public safety. When that "murder" is committed by the illegal alien then President Trump is ultimately responsible because he's changed the role of ICE from it's focus on the threat to public safety to mass deportation that allows the threat to continue to walk the streets of America.

Originally Posted by GottaGo

While in certain aspects, it is a good thing that Federal Law Enforcement does not supersede Local or State, there IS however, immigration enforcement at State levels.

So yes, it DOES matter.

Originally Posted by ShivaTD

Originally Posted by ShivaTD

Immigration law enforcement needs to be focused on the threat to the public safety instead of it's current focus on those that don't represent a threat to our public safety. When that "murder" is committed by the illegal alien then President Trump is ultimately responsible because he's changed the role of ICE from it's focus on the threat to public safety to mass deportation that allows the threat to continue to walk the streets of America.

Originally Posted by Mellon_Collie

State and local do not have policing powers over over immigration, under the rules established in 1952 with the passage of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA) and the Immigration Reform and Control Act (IRCA) of 1986.
If you want the state to enforce immigration law the tell you congressman to pass legislation, and tells your state government to order your police to work with ICE, otherwise this "Donald Trump Act" is nothing more than political theater for the sicko fans.

Originally Posted by FrancSevin

And, for the sake of argument, if we assume you are correct then most certainly we need a Federal law providing legal muscle to the simple request by the feds to hold a known felon until they can pick them up.

Originally Posted by ShivaTD

Local law enforcement will always hold a person if there's a federal warrant for their arrest. Local and state law enforcement agencies virtually always run a criminal check to verify whether a person has any outstanding arrest warrants. If they miss one it would be by accident and not by intent.

What they won't do is hold a person when the federal government doesn't have an arrest warrant to authorize the detention of the person nor will they attempt to investigate possible violations of federal law that are outside of their jurisdiction under state law and the state Constitution.