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You were the one claiming breach of contract for not getting SS COLA adjustments. I point out the Federal government has no legally binding contract with entitlement benefit recipients. What a deal for the Federal government, they can any future benefit they wish to buy votes with no fear of prosecution for what would be fraud by a private party. It is the same under Obamacare, benefits are at the pleasure of Federal death panel bureaucrats.

Illegal aliens receive food stamps, housing assistance, student loans and medical care from the Federal government. But the proposed amendment would cut off illegal aliens receiving earned income tax credits. FYI don't require earning any taxable income just file a return and get a check from Uncle Sugar courtesy of the taxpayer. Plugging this hole by requiring the IRS to verify the person filing the return is here legally and in fact has the number of dependents claimed would more than offset the cost of restoring veteran pension COLA's.

So it is OK to screw veterans with 20 or more years of service out of COLAs while we continue making illegal payments to illegal aliens for no work? Because disabled veterans have been shielded from the cuts doesn't excuse cutting the benefit for the rest. Shouldn't veterans with 20 or more years of service be the last group to have their benefits cut while illegal aliens be the first?
I was speaking about retirement for government employees like state employees. It seems most of the states want to cut them for police and fire. Now that is what I was talking about in regards to breach of contract since they collectively bargained for those benefits.

Now point out where this is happening at a federal level. I wonder how many illegals actually would attempt it.
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Kitchen table economics of the family budget tells us we must make choices about our spending. The Federal government is no different. That is not "screwed up" it is reality.

Again, why do you favor handouts to illegal aliens over veterans cost of living pension adjustments?
again there are more than two choices within excesses in our government spending.
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I was speaking about retirement for government employees like state employees. It seems most of the states want to cut them for police and fire. Now that is what I was talking about in regards to breach of contract since they collectively bargained for those benefits.

Now point out where this is happening at a federal level. I wonder how many illegals actually would attempt it.
Retired veterans were government employees too. But hey MVD clerks deserve better pensions than veterans. It is obvious the claim the remark referred to state employees in a thread dealing with veterans benefits is hog wash.

You doubt illegal aliens are receiving income tax "credit" checks from Uncle Sam so it could not have happened. Except the IAG found differently.
http://www.treasury.gov/tigta/auditr...01141061fr.pdf

Title of the report: Individuals Who Are Not Authorized to Work in the United States Were Paid $4.2 Billion in Refundable Credits

Obama's stimulus made it easier for illegal aliens to collect these tax payer funded give aways. It also changed the standard from 3 children to 1 making more illegals eligible.

And again why the preference for giving illegal aliens unearned payments over giving veterans with 20 or more years service pension COLA's? Clearly our President favors the illegal alien, is it just loyalty to the Leader?
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again there are more than two choices within excesses in our government spending.
If you are trying to say cut something else, that is just a smokescreen to avoid any cuts at all. If you will not agree to cut giveaways to illegal aliens there is nothing you will cut. The truth is cutting these payments to keep veterans pension COLAs was in a bill put forth in the House. That is not the same as just claiming we ought to cut somewhere else but since that didn't happen, screw the veterans.
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Retired veterans were government employees too. But hey MVD clerks deserve better pensions than veterans. It is obvious the claim the remark referred to state employees in a thread dealing with veterans benefits is hog wash.

You doubt illegal aliens are receiving income tax "credit" checks from Uncle Sam so it could not have happened. Except the IAG found differently.
http://www.treasury.gov/tigta/auditr...01141061fr.pdf

Title of the report: Individuals Who Are Not Authorized to Work in the United States Were Paid $4.2 Billion in Refundable Credits

Obama's stimulus made it easier for illegal aliens to collect these tax payer funded give aways. It also changed the standard from 3 children to 1 making more illegals eligible.

And again why the preference for giving illegal aliens unearned payments over giving veterans with 20 or more years service pension COLA's? Clearly our President favors the illegal alien, is it just loyalty to the Leader?

Read this very slowly if you are capable of thinking before making statements about what I wrote and what is meant.

First off I wasn't aware of what is stated in that report since it is the first time I've seen it. I would think this hasn't been limited to the current administration or just this congress either. Either way it should be stopped, so I agree. Now as for the VA COLA cut, if they can cut SS COLA then they can cut both. As for paying for it, Congress controls the purse strings with the house controlled by the GOP and the Senate with a slight majority of DEMS which also has the filibuster. So they set what money is spent on. Perhaps also cutting as subsidies for corporations that are already making billions in profits and not struggling. Now that is what should be cut to pay for things need by the citizens of this country as well as funds for other needs such as infrastructure also something left out of the current budget. We could also cut back on some of our foreign aid especially to countries that are hardly friendly to us. However I know that is beyond your capability to understand since you march in lock step with the right wing of your party. Hence everything is the DEMS particularly Obama's fault in spite of his deporting more illegals than any previous president. So like the government shut down you want to whine about veterans benefits when the GOP has failed them for decades.
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If you are trying to say cut something else, that is just a smokescreen to avoid any cuts at all. If you will not agree to cut giveaways to illegal aliens there is nothing you will cut. The truth is cutting these payments to keep veterans pension COLAs was in a bill put forth in the House. That is not the same as just claiming we ought to cut somewhere else but since that didn't happen, screw the veterans.
no I dont care what they cut with the exception of a few things which neither of these is. I am saying they have made a decision to cut something and some are crying foul because their baby was on the block. Everything should be fair game (like I said with some exceptions). This is just politics, using the budget to play to the core.
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Read this very slowly if you are capable of thinking before making statements about what I wrote and what is meant.

First off I wasn't aware of what is stated in that report since it is the first time I've seen it. I would think this hasn't been limited to the current administration or just this congress either. Either way it should be stopped, so I agree. Now as for the VA COLA cut, if they can cut SS COLA then they can cut both. As for paying for it, Congress controls the purse strings with the house controlled by the GOP and the Senate with a slight majority of DEMS which also has the filibuster. So they set what money is spent on. Perhaps also cutting as subsidies for corporations that are already making billions in profits and not struggling. Now that is what should be cut to pay for things need by the citizens of this country as well as funds for other needs such as infrastructure also something left out of the current budget. We could also cut back on some of our foreign aid especially to countries that are hardly friendly to us. However I know that is beyond your capability to understand since you march in lock step with the right wing of your party. Hence everything is the DEMS particularly Obama's fault in spite of his deporting more illegals than any previous president. So like the government shut down you want to whine about veterans benefits when the GOP has failed them for decades.
Read this carefully, you claimed illegal aliens were not receiving refundable tax credit payments. When I pointed out that in fact they are, the response is to simply claim ignorance. No change of position or acknowledgement of error, just an attack for my reading what you wrote.

Curious how you blame Congress for preferring illegal aliens over retired veterans but absolve the President who signed off on the deal from any responsibility as if he has no veto or influence over Congress. If you could be troubled to take off the partisan blinders for a moment to review what I have written in multiple comments on this thread, Democrats and surrender monkey Republicans are responsible for this favoritism towards illegal aliens over veterans with 20+ years of service. But somehow you claim I am in lockstep with the right which to you is synonymous with the Republican party.

The distraction of cutting corporate welfare, Obama deporting illegals and the GOP not looking after veterans is a desperate attempt to avoid answering the simple question of why you prefer welfare payments to illegal aliens to COLAs for veterans pensions. You seem to be incapable of responding to this simple question, we both know why.
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Read this carefully, you claimed illegal aliens were not receiving refundable tax credit payments. When I pointed out that in fact they are, the response is to simply claim ignorance. No change of position or acknowledgement of error, just an attack for my reading what you wrote.

Curious how you blame Congress for preferring illegal aliens over retired veterans but absolve the President who signed off on the deal from any responsibility as if he has no veto or influence over Congress. If you could be troubled to take off the partisan blinders for a moment to review what I have written in multiple comments on this thread, Democrats and surrender monkey Republicans are responsible for this favoritism towards illegal aliens over veterans with 20+ years of service. But somehow you claim I am in lockstep with the right which to you is synonymous with the Republican party.

The distraction of cutting corporate welfare, Obama deporting illegals and the GOP not looking after veterans is a desperate attempt to avoid answering the simple question of why you prefer welfare payments to illegal aliens to COLAs for veterans pensions. You seem to be incapable of responding to this simple question, we both know why.
I wasn't aware of that happening till I saw it in the report you posted, discovering it wasn't already illegal for them to do so. So take my word for it or not, I could care less either way.

As for Obama signing the bill instead of a vetoing it that is different by my standards. This bill had many things that needed to be done such as stopping the 3 months treat to shut down the government. I removed some of the sequestration that was in effect and scheduled to be worse in 2014. So all in all I assume it was his decision to sign it rather than continue going from crises to crises which has done nothing for anyone. Now keep in mind it also passed both houses of congress by a fair majority which would mean it was accepted by both sides of the aisle.

I might add all the things left out of this bill can be fixed simply by Congress going back as individual issues, like they tried to do with extensions for unemployment.
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