United Nations to regulate all guns?

mlurp · #1 (**permalink**) 07-05-2012, 05:59 PM

It is simple I yahoo ed about the the UN Regulations of all guns. And found two sets of sites to look into.
So start with the search page first if you like or go for what is just below...

#2.. United Nations to regulate all guns? - Yahoo! News Search Results

#1.. SEARCH PAGE: United Nations to regulate all guns? - Yahoo! Search Results

This is for others to decide if we ought to leave the useless UN and save several billion each year in the aftermath if we did get out.

Now that would leave onen a seat at the security concil which with China & Russia calling the hardest of ideas in doing the business of the UN in the dirt.

All I can think is who apporved these two to have any powers in the security council? And does it really matter why & how they got their approval?

Besides this the UN shows signs in about everywhere else of it's weaknesses and making it more costly.

And in one area it is the pawn of foolishness.. Israel.

This oganization is weak and IMHO useless and a total waste of every taxpaying American citizen.

Now the Left might dis-agree..

But they are also the ones who wants the one Nation that in the sands of time has grown into a democracy much like America. To fail in their quest to have their own Nation.

Manitou · #2 (**permalink**) 07-09-2012, 01:19 PM

Anybody who wants the United States to remain in the U.N. must desperately be craving the chance to line up and kiss the asses of dictators world wide. Go ahead and rebut me, anybody. Then explain to me if you want, why you think nations should not be sovereign.

As to that guns treaty--it will not fly, since it is unConstitutional, and subject to overhrow. It will be overthrown.

GottaGo · #3 (**permalink**) 07-09-2012, 03:53 PM

First, they would have FIND all the guns.....

mlurp · #4 (**permalink**) 07-09-2012, 05:46 PM

Find them is the easy part GG, I don't except you to know just how much man's toys the entire govt, and the MIC has on hand, and I don't know about most the gear.
But I do know (you might have seen the ad on TV) they can see behind steel, so home built storage isn't a problem.

What is will be the charges if once announced to be handed over and then they (who they are I am not sure of either) search for firearms etc., even buried they will know,

See you have to keep pace with what has been posted and what possible items a situation might have.

Have not we spoke of DRONES over America? Well if this were the govt., plan once the UN decided to place it in operation, don't you think they would do a lot before the announcement is made?

Give the idea some thoughts. Cause this might just happen in years ahead, if not sooner.

And no matter what else most every left, liberal, progressive wants gun control

matter what...

So you think B-4 voting.... Most gang bangers don't vote anyway.

Our prisons/jails are full of people who have used many types of weapons and plenty get released every day of the week..

So selling them to criminals is going to be like a farmer's market... Like I said think about it. Even those who think it would never happen.

Otherwise your not prepared, will never Over Come.. As you never Adapted. And by then it is to late to Improvise.

Manitou · #5 (**permalink**) 07-09-2012, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by mlurp

Find them is the easy part GG, I don't except you to know just how much man's toys the entire govt, and the MIC has on hand, and I don't know about most the gear.
But I do know (you might have seen the ad on TV) they can see behind steel, so home built storage isn't a problem.

What is will be the charges if once announced to be handed over and then they (who they are I am not sure of either) search for firearms etc., even buried they will know,

See you have to keep pace with what has been posted and what possible items a situation might have.

Maybe about 20 to 30 percent will give up their weapons. The rest will overwhelm the government monkeys and any stooges in the Armed Forces who screw up and mistakenly and foolishly fight for their master and lord. Think I'm wrong?

mlurp · #6 (**permalink**) 07-09-2012, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Manitou

Maybe about 20 to 30 percent will give up their weapons.

The rest will overwhelm the government monkeys and any stooges in the Armed Forces who screw up and mistakenly and foolishly fight for their master and lord. Think I'm wrong?

and if you add a simple word right after what I underlined I would have said yes.. Add "be"

I suggest you look up by the numbers, of able, healthy people vs the ones who because of what ever are over the hill when it comes to combat with pro's sir.

Manitou · #7 (**permalink**) 07-09-2012, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by mlurp

and if you add a simple word right after what I underlined I would have said yes.. Add "be"

I suggest you look up by the numbers, of able, healthy people vs the ones who because of what ever are over the hill when it comes to combat with pro's sir.

Did I say no members of the Armed Forces ( a huge majority) would be part of the overwhelming? Either way, I am 61 years old, and I can tell you for a certainty, sir, that I am no pushover for these "pros". Not by a long shot.

I placed pros in quotes, because any Fighting Man who would violate the Constitution to ensure a dictator stays in power, and who fights to have the Constitution torn to shreds by any such monkey, is not a professional in the first place. He lacks the discipline to do what he swore to do-defend America against all enemies. WE THE PEOPLE are not the enemy.

mlurp · #8 (**permalink**) 07-10-2012, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Manitou

Did I say no members of the Armed Forces ( a huge majority) would be part of the overwhelming? Either way, I am 61 years old, and I can tell you for a certainty, sir, that I am no pushover for these "pros". Not by a long shot.

I placed pros in quotes, because any Fighting Man who would violate the Constitution to ensure a dictator stays in power, and who fights to have the Constitution torn to shreds by any such monkey, is not a professional in the first place. He lacks the discipline to do what he swore to do-defend America against all enemies. WE THE PEOPLE are not the enemy.

Manitou, what you say and what is, leaves a lot of room from insane,

to reality.

1. B-4 the announcement plans & Marshall Law will be ready to be used if need be a few days later.

2. During that time the US Govt., her agencies will listen to chatter from home phones, cell phones, e-mail and even the mail.

3. To put down any actions starting to take place, Marshall Law will be put in place, the last one Obama signed. Why?

Simple it doesn't require any reasons to be the source of it's use. But you can check and see if I have that right. You can start here or do your own search...

Also there is one 1 from 2011 you need to read.

The last Marshall Law Obama signed in May of 2012 - Yahoo! Search Results

And your assuming this part of your scenario based on how you see it will prevail, I quote..

Quote:

I placed pros in quotes, because any Fighting Man who would violate the Constitution to ensure a dictator stays in power, and who fights to have the Constitution torn to shreds by any such monkey, is not a professional in the first place. He lacks the discipline to do what he swore to do-defend America against all enemies

1, He isn't a dictator he is the POTUS and as commander in chief most if not all military personel will follow orders they receive.

Some might check home to be sure their families are not involved. But that would depend on several situations from the chain of command.

I can agree with some of what you said about the POTUS but in my reality your not playing wit a full deck of cards.

And I mean that in a friendly way Manitou, believe me. One thing I do know is when orders are given those it is given to say Yes Sir.

To do other wise means an Artical 15 or a seat in front of 5 officers while you are under arrest from the moment you defied the order, in a Court Martial that will strip you of everything if this order was given in times of War or National Security Issues.

Because in both one can be held for a death sentence.

Manitou · #9 (**permalink**) 07-10-2012, 06:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mlurp

Manitou, what you say and what is, leaves a lot of room from insane,

to reality.

1. B-4 the announcement plans & Marshall Law will be ready to be used if need be a few days later.

2. During that time the US Govt., her agencies will listen to chatter from home phones, cell phones, e-mail and even the mail.

3. To put down any actions starting to take place, Marshall Law will be put in place, the last one Obama signed. Why?

Simple it doesn't require any reasons to be the source of it's use. But you can check and see if I have that right. You can start here or do your own search...

Also there is one 1 from 2011 you need to read.

The last Marshall Law Obama signed in May of 2012 - Yahoo! Search Results

And your assuming this part of your scenario based on how you see it will prevail, I quote..

1, He isn't a dictator he is the POTUS and as commander in chief most if not all military personel will follow orders they receive.

Some might check home to be sure their families are not involved. But that would depend on several situations from the chain of command.

I can agree with some of what you said about the POTUS but in my reality your not playing wit a full deck of cards.

And I mean that in a friendly way Manitou, believe me. One thing I do know is when orders are given those it is given to say Yes Sir.

To do other wise means an Artical 15 or a seat in front of 5 officers while you are under arrest from the moment you defied the order, in a Court Martial that will strip you of everything if this order was given in times of War or National Security Issues.

Because in both one can be held for a death sentence.

What is the penalty for a "POTUS" declaring martial law solely to maintain his hold on the presidency? And what is the power that is going to strip the top commanders of the Armed Forces of their authority to unconditionally disobey an unConstitutional order from a lunatic?

I won't go over the rest of your points, mlurp. There are multiple outcomes, but only one loser.

mlurp · #10 (**permalink**) 07-10-2012, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Manitou

What is the penalty for a "POTUS" declaring martial law solely to maintain his hold on the presidency? And what is the power that is going to strip the top commanders of the Armed Forces of their authority to unconditionally disobey an unConstitutional order from a lunatic?

I won't go over the rest of your points, mlurp. There are multiple outcomes, but only one loser.

Look Manitou let me ask you one thing, just one thing! And it is more important than anything we discuss.

Why is it when our most important documents, as I place both this and our
Constitution hand in hand.

This document allows use to replace our govt., at any time if we have enough people for it. Yet not once has it been tried...

Quote:

Documents from the Continental Congress and the Constitutional Convention, 1774-1789

In Congress, July 4, 1776. The unanimous declaration of the thirteen United States of America.

IN CONGRESS, JULY 4, 1776.
THE UNANIMOUS
DECLARATION
OF THE
THIRTEEN UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

WHEN, in the Course of human Events, it becomes necessary for one People to dissolve the Political Bands which have connected them with another, and to assume, among the Powers of the Earth, the separate and equal Station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's GOD entitle them, a decent Respect to the Opinions of Mankind requires that they should declare the Causes which impel them to the Separation.

We hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal, that they are endowed, by their CREATOR, with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these Rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just Powers from the Consent of the Governed, that whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these Ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its Foundation on such Principles, and organizing its Powers in such Form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate, that Governments long established, should not be changed for light and transient Causes; and accordingly all Experience hath shewn, that Mankind are more disposed to suffer, while Evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the Forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long Train of Abuses and Usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object, evinces a Design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their Right, it is their Duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future Security. Such has been the patient Sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the Necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The History of the present King of Great-Britain is a History of repeated Injuries and Usurpations, all having in direct Object the Establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid World.

HE has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public Good.

HE has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing Importance, unless suspended in their Operation till his Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.

HE has refused to pass other Laws for the Accommodation of large Districts of People, unless those People would relinquish the Right of Representation in the Legislature, a Right inestimable to them, and formidable to Tyranny only.

HE has called together Legislative Bodies at Places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the Depository of their public Records, for the sole Purpose of fatiguing them into Compliance with his Measures.

HE has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly Firmness his Invasions on the Rights of the People.

HE has refused for a long Time, after such Dissolutions, to cause others to be elected; whereby the Legislative Powers, incapable of Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exercise; the State remaining, in the mean Time, exposed to all the Dangers of Invasion from without, and Convulsions within.

HE has endeavoured to prevent the Population of these States; for that Purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their Migrations hither, and raising the Conditions of new Appropriations of Lands.

HE has obstructed the Administration of Justice, by refusing his Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary Powers.

HE has made Judges dependent on his Will alone, for the Tenure of their Offices, and the Amount and Payment of their Salaries.

HE has erected a Multitude of new Offices, and sent hither Swarms of Officers to harrass our People, and eat out their Substance.

HE has kept among us, in Times of Peace, Standing Armies, without the Consent of our Legislatures.

HE has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil Power.

HE has combined with others to subject us to a Jurisdiction foreign to our Constitution, and unacknowledged by our Laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:

FOR quartering large Bodies of Armed Troops among us:

FOR protecting them, by a mock Trial, from Punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:

FOR cutting off our Trade with all Parts of the World:

FOR imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:

FOR depriving us, in many Cases, of the Benefits of Trial by Jury:

FOR transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended Offences:

FOR abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighbouring Province, establishing therein an arbitrary Government, and enlarging its Boundaries, so as to render it at once an Example and fit Instrument for introducing the same absolute Rule into these Colonies:

FOR taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws, and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments:

FOR suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with Power to legislate for us in all Cases whatsoever.

HE has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection, and waging War against us.

HE has plundered our Seas, ravaged our Coasts, burnt our Towns, and destroyed the Lives of our People.

HE is, at this Time, transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to complete the Works of Death, Desolation, and Tyranny, already begun with Circumstances of Cruelty and Perfidy, scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous Ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized Nation.

HE has constrained our Fellow-Citizens, taken Captive on the high Seas, to bear Arms against their Country, to become the Executioners of their Friends and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands.

HE has excited domestic Insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the Inhabitants of our Frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages, whose known Rule of Warfare, is an undistinguished Destruction, of all Ages, Sexes, and Conditions.

IN every Stage of these Oppressions we have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble Terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated Injury. A Prince, whose Character is thus marked by every Act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the Ruler of a free People.

NOR have we been wanting in Attentions to our British Brethren. We have warned them, from Time to Time, of Attempts by their Legislature to extend an unwarrantable Jurisdiction over us. We have reminded them of the Circumstances of our Emigration and Settlement here. We have appealed to their native Justice and Magnanimity, and we have conjured them by the Ties of our common Kindred to disavow these Usurpations, which would inevitably interrupt our Connexions and Correspondence. They too have been deaf to the Voice of Justice and of Consanguinity. We must, therefore, acquiesce in the Necessity, which denounces our Separation, and hold them, as we hold the Rest of Mankind, Enemies in War, in Peace Friends.

WE, therefore, the Representatives of the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, in GENERAL CONGRESS Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the World for the Rectitude of our Intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly Publish and Declare, That these United Colonies are, and of Right ought to be, FREE AND INDEPENDENT STATES; that they are absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political Connexion between them and the State of Great-Britain, is, and ought to be, totally dissolved; and that as FREE AND INDEPENDENT STATES, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which INDEPENDENT STATES may of Right do. And for the Support of this Declaration, with a firm Reliance on the Protection of DIVINE PROVIDENCE, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes, and our sacred Honour.

John Hancock.
GEORGIA, Button Gwinnett, Lyman Hall, Geo. Walton.
NORTH-CAROLINA, Wm. Hooper, Joseph Hewes, John Penn.
SOUTH-CAROLINA, Edward Rutledge, Thos Heyward, junr. Thomas Lynch, junr. Arthur Middleton.
MARYLAND, Samuel Chase, Wm. Paca, Thos. Stone, Charles Carroll, of Carrollton.
VIRGINIA, George Wythe, Richard Henry Lee, Ths. Jefferson, Benja. Harrison, Thos. Nelson, jr. Francis Lightfoot Lee, Carter Braxton.
PENNSYLVANIA, Robt. Morris, Benjamin Rush, Benja. Franklin, John Morton, Geo. Clymer, Jas. Smith, Geo. Taylor, James Wilson, Geo. Ross.
DELAWARE, Caesar Rodney, Geo. Read.
NEW-YORK, Wm. Floyd, Phil. Livingston, Frank Lewis, Lewis Morris.
NEW-JERSEY, Richd. Stockton, Jno. Witherspoon, Fras. Hopkinson, John Hart, Abra. Clark.
NEW-HAMPSHIRE, Josiah Bartlett, Wm. Whipple, Matthew Thornton.
MASSACHUSETTS-BAY, Saml. Adams, John Adams, Robt. Treat Paine, Elbridge Gerry.
RHODE-ISLAND AND PROVIDENCE, &c. Step. Hopkins, William Ellery.
CONNECTICUT, Roger Sherman, Saml. Huntington, Wm. Williams, Oliver Wolcott.

IN CONGRESS, JANUARY 18, 1777.

ORDERED,
THAT an authenticated Copy of the DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCY, with the Names of the MEMBERS of CONGRESS, subscribing the same, be sent to each of the UNITED STATES, and that they be desired to have the same put on RECORD.
By Order of CONGRESS,
JOHN HANCOCK, President.

BALTIMORE, in MARYLAND: Printed by MARY KATHARINE GODDARD.

American Memory from the Library of Congress))

So can you give me a good reason why it has not been done when our Congress & Senate have scored so low as they have in the last 8 years+?

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