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Just out of curiosity, what do YOU call a group that wants people to work hard, turn over a large portion of their earnings, for the support of the government and others?
I know you didn't ask me But I'd call them a community, ya know like a town with a fire department, library and a school. Oh and if the road needs fixing they float a bond (extracting more money from the unwary capitalist )

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Same group that feels they should determine what your labor is worth,
I determine what my labor is worth in relation to what I can get-all ways have. Once that was within a union, mostly as prices for services or goods set by me.

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how much money you should be able to live on, and who deserves what?
Just because some people can add and subtract and report facts, you think that's subversive?
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Maybe you should realize that the right has spent so much time tossing around labels like "Nazi" and "communist" and "socialist" that other people are simply taking it seriously when they see it ...
He was ASKED by a citizen at a townhall...

If he just up and declared it on his own, you'd have a point, but he didn't...The subject of Communists was thrown AT HIM...
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He was ASKED by a citizen at a townhall...
Actually, that makes it worse.
The original question was in all seriousness.
And if you LOOK at his reaction, he ANSWERED IT SERIOUSLY...
And then, the audience RESPONDED EXACTLY how you would respond to a serious question getting a serious answer...

He could have avoided...
But he CHOSE TO ANSWER IT DIRECTLY.

He could have done the honest thing like John McCain has done in the past...
But such antics are not helpful to the right-wing trying to shelter their "crazy" far-right elements from being able to proclaim "Kenyan" or "Muslim" or similar nonsense without being corrected.


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If he just up and declared it on his own, you'd have a point, but he didn't...The subject of Communists was thrown AT HIM...
I have no idea how you think the fact that he was giving a serious and truthful (by his own words) answer is somehow negated by the fact that he was answering a question...

If Billo had started a thread asking whether people thought the Repubs wanted the poor to die (or were indifferent to that), would any response I gave to that inquiry be automatically excusable? No longer my responsibility?

Seriously.
What are you going to try next to pretend Mr. West isn't culpable for his own self-proclaimed truthful statements?
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Souldead (Gee did I spell that wrong, sorry) O'Brien tried to revive this one with gotcha questions on CNN yesterday.

After Allen noted Souldead still doesn't want to air the full tape the interview continued more or less like this...

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“So name names for me,” O’Brien said. “Start naming the 78 to 81…”

“Oh, we don’t have to…” West countered.

“Oh, we do! I’m dying to know,” O’Brien pressed. “Which are the members of the…”

“You can go look up the progressive caucus…” interrupted West.

“I got ‘em right here!” O’Brien interjected — and seemingly out of thin air pulled out a list of the members of the Congressional Progressive Caucus.

“Well then you’ve got the names,” West said.

“So Keith Ellison is a communist?” asked O’Brien. “Raúl Grijalva is a communist?”

“Well, look, I’m just talking about the fact that the ideology and principles — you can call it whatever you want…”

“Tammy Baldwin is a communist? Judy Chu is a communist?” O’Brien continued.

“You can call it whatever you want,” West replied.

“Yeah, but I want to know what you’re calling it,” O’Brien said.

“I’m calling it this,” West clarified. “Communist, progressive, Marxist, statist, another term being used. I’m looking at things they believe in. If you don’t think we have to stand upon truth and be able to identify and clearly contrast the different principles and values and ideologies of governance here in this country, then we’re never going to get to the fact of accepting the true debate happening in America. We don’t need a bureaucratic nanny state. We need to stay a Constitutional Republic. I think a lot of people need to study that and understand what it is.”
The full interview is on vid at the link.

Soledad O’Brien Demands Allen West Name Communists in Testy Exchange | Video | TheBlaze.com

Basically what Allen West is saying is Progressive ideology mirrors Communist ideology, and the two are connected. He's talking about stuff like this...



In 1963 they read an excerpt from the book "The Naked Communist," by Cleon Skousen into the congressional record. In it Ms. Skousen offered a list of 45 Communist takeover goals. It's kind of fascinating to take a look back 49 years later and judge how successful they've been.

The text of the List is here.

The Communist Takeover Of America - 45 Declared Goals

There's a video of it here.

The Communist Take Over of America :45 Declared Goals in 1963 Congressional Report | MRCTV

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15. Capture one or both of the political parties in the United States.

16. Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions by claiming their activities violate civil rights.

17. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers' associations. Put the party line in textbooks.

18. Gain control of all student newspapers.

19. Use student riots to foment public protests against programs or organizations which are under Communist attack.

20. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policy-making positions.

21. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures.

22. Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all forms of artistic expression. An American Communist cell was told to "eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings, substitute shapeless, awkward and meaningless forms."

23. Control art critics and directors of art museums. "Our plan is to promote ugliness, repulsive, meaningless art."

24. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press.

25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV.

26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural, healthy."

27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity, which does not need a "religious crutch."

28. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the ground that it violates the principle of "separation of church and state."

29. Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.

30. Discredit the American Founding Fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the "common man."
And yes Souldead O'brien, Raul Grijalva, co-chair of the CPC is a communist.

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And although she didn't ask Bernie Saunders, founder of the CPC is what he self describes as a "Democratic Socialist", which would translate into Commie you can vote for until they're in there solid enough they don't need your vote anymore.

CPC member Maxine Waters famously Freudian slipped an admission she was a Socialist. A Socialist is a commie without the guts to admit he's a commie. A Progressive is a Socialist without the balls to blatantly admit that. But basically they're all Commies, so I don't care if Allen West did mean to blatantly, and soberly say Progressives are Commies. If he did, he would in my opinion be correct.
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Oh stop trying to cover for every turd on the right just because they have an "R" by their name. I don't mind saying Maxine Waters is a jerk. I don't mind saying Barbara Boxer is a putz. It's not a requirement that you have to defend every moron you have on your side of the aisle.
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Oh stop trying to cover for every turd on the right just because they have an "R" by their name. I don't mind saying Maxine Waters is a jerk. I don't mind saying Barbara Boxer is a putz. It's not a requirement that you have to defend every moron you have on your side of the aisle.
Sure Mikeyy, I'll zoom off subject with you. I understand why this one might be making you uncomfortable. You don't want to see the connection between Progs and Commies. I get that. It's OK. Relax we'll go off topic for awhile. Breath.

First of all I agree with you. Maxine Waters is a psychotic, Commie, cow, and Barbara Boxer wouldn't be uncomfortable with a red rubber nose. She's a clown. I differ from you in that I don't find them atypical to the average Prog though.

Would I dis a Repub? Hell yeah. I wouldn't care if a bus were to fall on Meaghan McCain for example. Ron Paul supporters irritated me during the primary, so I'm sick of him. The only thing Romney has going for him is he's not Obama. Lindsay Graham makes me want to puke. Good riddance to Olympia Snowe. Scott Brown is a turncoat.

That was fun. Do I win anything?

Progs are still Commies in hiding, and Allen West is a great American for having the balls to point that out though.

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Progs are still Commies in hiding, and Allen West is a great American for having the balls to point that out though.
Why is it raving lunatics get labeled "great Americans"?
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Why is it raving lunatics get labeled "great Americans"?
Why? Who called Debbie Wasserman Schultz a great American?
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Colonel West though, now there's a great American.


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Colonel West though, now there's a great American.
Why?
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