The same goes for the last group of imbeciles, too.

The same will be true of the next group of imbeciles.

This is the continuation of a trend that has been getting steeper over the last 100 or so years.

It isn't particular to Obama.

Just saying.

And I agree, both parties have been doing!

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And so, my fellow Americans: ask not what your country can do for you - ask what you can do for your country.

John F. Kennedy January 20th 1960

I think you should check again and you will see that I have bashed Bush also in many threads. I'm an equal opportunity basher. The problem you're having is that Bush is no longer president and is therefore no longer relevant where as obama is.

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And so, my fellow Americans: ask not what your country can do for you - ask what you can do for your country.

John F. Kennedy January 20th 1960

I don't have a problem with people bashing the President. I have a problem with people bashing him for something they gave Bush a pass on. I am not saying that you have not been critical of the former President, but on this issue your silence has been deafening.

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How can actions that are wrong lead to a greater good? - Jean-Luc Picard (Star Trek)

Bush is no longer president. The patriot act was passed under Bush with democratic support AND before Politicqal Wrinkles was even a gleam in redd's eye.

I also find it ironic that people who have blasted Bush at every turn because he was a danger to our civil liberties and freedoms now want to support someone who is even more of a danger than Bush.

You can't have it both ways.

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And so, my fellow Americans: ask not what your country can do for you - ask what you can do for your country.

John F. Kennedy January 20th 1960

There wasn't a single politician in Washington who had the willpower to stand up to the PATRIOT act in any meaningful way. Nobody wanted to be portrayed as being soft on terrorists or slow to defend the nation's interests.

They support him for the same reason you say he's a bigger threat to our civil liberties than Bush was -- because he's their guy.

Obama represents precisely the same threat to our civil liberties that Bush did -- he represents the steadily expanding power of the Presidency.

I'll agree to that!

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And so, my fellow Americans: ask not what your country can do for you - ask what you can do for your country.

John F. Kennedy January 20th 1960

I don't have a problem with a trade off as I know such a trade off must exist. HOWEVER, I should be aware of what areas I might be trading and for what level of security. We never got that out of the Bush Administration.

I'm not asking for both ways, I'm asking you not to play it both ways. You've had PLENTY of opportunity to criticize the previous Administration (while they were in office) about their civil liberty violations on this website. There have been threads upon threads.

Nothing but silence from you so this appears to be nothing more than politically expediant.

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How can actions that are wrong lead to a greater good? - Jean-Luc Picard (Star Trek)

While Bush was in office I was not on Political Wrinkles so you don't know what I said about Bush when he was in office! I've only been here since March of 2009 and I believe that obama was in office already!

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And so, my fellow Americans: ask not what your country can do for you - ask what you can do for your country.

John F. Kennedy January 20th 1960

....and all the devil wants is a soul.....

nibbles and bites, nibbles and bites. We got nailed to the wall in the Patriot Act, and in the fear of the moment, allowed too many of our rights and freedoms to be infringed upon.

It's not an "if" about using terrorism as a fear tactic, it's how far they think they can push it before someone yells ENOUGH!!

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