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Old 02-27-2010, 10:09 PM
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In 2006 they tried it with pamphlets that said that Democrats were going to bring gay marriage and ban bibles.

I don't think Repubs realize how some people can get incredibly turned off by these antics.
I firmly believe that when McCain catered to the hard right with Palin, he actually lost more moderates with that move...

Electing Obama has been a huge boon to the sales of the gun industry.
I don't think moderate Republicans usually ever vote for Dems, but they will stay home thereby giving dems the win by default.
But yeah I think many were turned off.
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Wow, it only took 6 posts for somebody to (falsely) claim it was racism.
I think it was a bit of both. You cannot disagree there is a faction in this country who are so predjudiced they would be in fear just because he was black. Interestingly some of the same people can't stand Sarah Palin anymore since she made it clear she stands with the Joooz.
But as was stated a big part of the gun toting mentality of late is because of the economy. I mean we have discussed these things in my very own family: "What if "A" happens and then "B" will take place, then "C" we need to defend ourselves."
And I think common sense folk of all colors and creeds think this way in times of upheaval--we are all benefactors of survivalists! I mean whole family names have been wiped off the face of the earth. Those who lived to propagate another day were aware of their surroundings and conditions.
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That's only half the issue...

When questioned on the very statement you've shown, Obama fudged...

While Obama does not personally want to take your guns away from you, he actually ENDORSES city and local municipalities doing that exact thing in his place...
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Q: You said recently, “I have no intention of taking away folks’ guns.” But you support the D.C. handgun ban, and you’ve said that it’s constitutional. How do you reconcile those two positions?

A: Because I think we have two conflicting traditions in this country. I think it’s important for us to recognize that we’ve got a tradition of handgun ownership and gun ownership generally. And a lot of law-abiding citizens use it for hunting, for sportsmanship, and for protecting their families. We also have a violence on the streets that is the result of illegal handgun usage. And so I think there is nothing wrong with a community saying we are going to take those illegal handguns off the streets. And cracking down on the various loopholes that exist in terms of background checks for children, the mentally ill. We can have reasonable, thoughtful gun control measure that I think respect the Second Amendment and people’s traditions.
Respect 2nd Amendment, but local gun bans ok
Hmmm...well he seems to have answered your accusation in his quoted remarks.
Uphold the 2nd amendment and allow states and locals rights over their own interests.
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I don't think moderate Republicans usually ever vote for Dems, but they will stay home thereby giving dems the win by default.
But yeah I think many were turned off.
That's the thing I don't get.

Suppose you had two possible results of a vote: 3 and 8.
Some people want 1. Other people want 10.

It makes no sense to me for somebody who wants "1" to stay home in an election and withhold a vote from 3 just cause it isn't closer to "1", especially considering you could instead get an "8" and REALLY be upset by what the results are.

What you describe is real, but it just seems absurdly illogical to me.
I don't understand why McCain should have to put Palin on the ticket to entice more "10's", when those 10s wound up with Obama instead based on their actions...

And there are similar examples on the left. The healthcare bill being a great example, as some extremists refused to vote for the healthcare bill because it wasn't far enough left for them, and instead of getting what they wanted they will wind up with either nothing or something even further to the RIGHT than what they originally had on the table.
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That's the thing I don't get.

Suppose you had two possible results of a vote: 3 and 8.
Some people want 1. Other people want 10.

It makes no sense to me for somebody who wants "1" to stay home in an election and withhold a vote from 3 just cause it isn't closer to "1", especially considering you could instead get an "8" and REALLY be upset by what the results are.

What you describe is real, but it just seems absurdly illogical to me.
I don't understand why McCain should have to put Palin on the ticket to entice more "10's", when those 10s wound up with Obama instead based on their actions...

And there are similar examples on the left. The healthcare bill being a great example, as some extremists refused to vote for the healthcare bill because it wasn't far enough left for them, and instead of getting what they wanted they will wind up with either nothing or something even further to the RIGHT than what they originally had on the table.
I've always thought when votes are landslides or at least huge majorities it was because Democrats were lazy or Republicans were disgusted. Just my opinion.
The healthcare vote could have been down and done if Kennedy had lived. I think him and Orin Hatch would have pounded the thing out before breakfast and had everyone home for lunch---compared to this dragging out we have presently. And they would have had the votes lined up on each side. We wouldn't have everything we want, neither the opposition, but it would have been passed already.
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This thread was started back in Obama's first term...when he had a re-election to worry about...

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NYT: States push looser gun laws - The New York Times- msnbc.com

Republicans pushed the "fear" button, and I'm wondering if I can get any anti-Obama-ites to admit how wrong the "Obama's going to take our guns" craze really was...
Nah. They're just jumping on to the next fear...
Yeah...

I just thought I'd point out the "anti-Obama-ites" have been proven right...
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NYT: States push looser gun laws - The New York Times- msnbc.com

Republicans pushed the "fear" button, and I'm wondering if I can get any anti-Obama-ites to admit how wrong the "Obama's going to take our guns" craze really was...
Nah. They're just jumping on to the next fear...
"Virginia, the General Assembly approved a bill last week that allows people to carry concealed weapons in bars and restaurants that serve alcohol"

What the hell? Guns and alcohol sounds about as socialy responsible as driving and alcohol - I can't think of a worse place to allow concealed weapons!
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