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So far I've managed to avoid any serious malware, spyware, virus, trojan horse, etc on every system I've owned.
My personal opinion is to not rely on any "suite" of security software provided by a single company.
The first line of defense is not doing stupid stuff such as downloading stuff off of the internet (or from email) without researching it first. After that, I personally think that an excellent firewall is more important than virus protection. Virus scans protect you (clean up) after the virus/malware gets onto your machine, but a good firewall prevents that crud from getting in in the first place.
When it comes to internet protection, the standard windows firewall is garbage. IE is garbage.
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And your so much better than me yea...

Screw this thread. It is twits like you and the rest that fail to see any good or help being offered and asked for.

You and others are so self centered your starting to smell up PW. and thats hard to do over the Internet.

Must be my weak security...

And wait I am sure someone will come along and thank you for your help tryting to make me look not so good.... I see each for what they are...
If you hadn't basically demanded that people throw away their experiences and give Norton our seal of approval, to "help this along", I certainly wouldn't have posted anything. It's not my business what software you use unless you're asking for help.

As Alan has said, it's not good to rely on a single software suite in general.
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I use Avast (free) and Malwarebytes (free). I switched from Norton years ago when I realized how much it was slowing my system down.
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I use Avast (free) and Malwarebytes (free). I switched from Norton years ago when I realized how much it was slowing my system down.
Avast here, too....I swear by it...
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Both of you believe what you want to. I did and bought the number 2 PC Security. Which BTW is made in Russia.

I felt like you guys do. Now I am here to tell you both and any others it has improved to the point it isn't a hog period. It loads first, does a start up sacn and is quicker than it was when I had Kapersky Internet Security Suite 2011 on it.
Instead of a 5 hour scan it is about 57 minutes now. I could addd to the scan if I want.
It updates by the seconds not by an hour.

Say what you like and it isn't even part of what I made this thread for. As I know MrL had PC problems last year which he could be sharing.

And FS, I would have thought you might at least know of some sites which one could check and see what is afoot in the area of Nasties to watch out for.

So it seems I let this thread go or do all the work myself.. I choose the first part of that statement.

So have fun guys, But I will add the top ten security suites for 2011. And NORTON is number one.

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I just used the same google I did for another thread. It is about the Top 10 security for any PC's..

And GG you get what you pay for. If it is free it won't keep up with all the new nasties coming out these days. Even Apple got attacked the same day I and M$ got my update problem fixed... That was 2 days ago.
mlurp, my PC came with Norton pre-installed. I uninstalled it using the best tools out there. Last week the damn thing came back after over a year. Suddenly, I'm getting notifications from Norton popping up and then when I went into Add/Remove Programs, Norton was back. I'm the ONLY person who uses my PC and I never installed it or granted Norton permission to be installed, yet it somehow found a way to come back (no, it wasn't scareware, is was really Norton). Norton is heavily promoted to folks like the Geek Squad who get paid to install it on people's PCs (one of MANY reasons why I would never use GEek Squad). Talk to a PC professional who doesn't work for a big box store and get their input about Norton. I work in IT and EVERYONE I work with will tell you that Norton is borderline malware.
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Norton SUCKS!!! It's a resource hog, it's not very effective at stopping scareware/malware and it's expensive. I use AVG and Avira in tandem and they cost nothing, require minimal resources and most of all - THEY WORK.
I agree with you on Norton. I haven't used it in about 8 years because it sucked for all the reasons you mentioned.

You're going to laugh at me for what I run at home but I have a very clean PC...

I run Microsoft Security Essentials, the Windows firewall, and Windows Defende. I keep them all updated. I also keep my firewall on and if anything needs through it, I create an exception rule and open a specific port for it.

My regular use on the computer is on an account with restricted access to write to the registry, nothing can be installed from that account, and it only has read, write, modify rights to the disk storage. Anything I need to install, I log off and install it from the Administrator account.

I never get anything on my comp.
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I agree with you on Norton. I haven't used it in about 8 years because it sucked for all the reasons you mentioned.

You're going to laugh at me for what I run at home but I have a very clean PC...

I run Microsoft Security Essentials, the Windows firewall, and Windows Defende. I keep them all updated. I also keep my firewall on and if anything needs through it, I create an exception rule and open a specific port for it.

My regular use on the computer is on an account with restricted access to write to the registry, nothing can be installed from that account, and it only has read, write, modify rights to the disk storage. Anything I need to install, I log off and install it from the Administrator account.

I never get anything on my comp.
And I would add 8 years is a long time.. Hasn't anyone considered the fact that most security items have changed some in the last few years?

I have added Norton Internet Security 2011 to both of my PC's and both run faster than before.

As I had some cleaning up done to.

Yet Norton is much quicker and much better than #2 Kaspersky. It loads at startup first B-4 I have an Internet signal and Kaspersky took a lot longer, and loaded last.

Use what you like it means nothing to anyone really.. Except small talk. Like this.

So does anyone have something to add about the Malware, virus's, drive bys or other nasties out there?
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So far I've managed to avoid any serious malware, spyware, virus, trojan horse, etc on every system I've owned.
My personal opinion is to not rely on any "suite" of security software provided by a single company.
The first line of defense is not doing stupid stuff such as downloading stuff off of the internet (or from email) without researching it first. After that, I personally think that an excellent firewall is more important than virus protection. Virus scans protect you (clean up) after the virus/malware gets onto your machine, but a good firewall prevents that crud from getting in in the first place.
When it comes to internet protection, the standard windows firewall is garbage. IE is garbage.
And each Internet security suite come with a firewall. Plus on any one PC you can only run one anti virus before you have some self made problems.

I also use Spyware Doctor. But had to shut down it's Real Time Protection because of conflicts with Norton.

If you run Windows Defender it has to be shut down. Yet M$ Malicious Software Removal tool works as before.

What counts is what you decide to use and makes you feel safe. Thats if you understand and know the settings to use.

And I would point out the name of this thread so it is not all about a choice of each others Utility's but what is waiting on the great Wild West Wilderness..

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Ok lets get this tread back to where it was meant to be. I get a Win7 newsletter filled with info. They have one for Vista to. I dropped it and had this one sent to one of my other e-mail accounts.

Of late I have been reading them. The last ones first. This is from Feb. this year.

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'OddJob' still being fully fleshed out, says Trusteer
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February 22, 2011 05:22 PM ET

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New Trojan steals data from online banking accounts

A new piece of malicious software that originated in Eastern Europe, called OddJob, allows attackers to steal data from a victim's online bank account without logging into it, by hijacking the banking session in real time. The software uses the identity tokens issued by the banks to impersonate the real users. And the attacker can keep the session open even after the user thinks it's been closed. Not good. Find out more about it here:
New bank Trojan employs fresh tricks to steal account data - Computerworld
This is part of what I was talking about in another thread where I mentioned off hand to another member the weakness of security on PC's and the newer Ipods/phones etc.

So to save the reader the heavy lifing: I will post the security news which is still out there...


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.Computerworld - Cybercriminals in Eastern Europe have begun using a dangerous new malware program to steal from online bank accounts in the U.S.

The Trojan program, dubbed "OddJob," appears to be a work in progress, but is already different from many malware in at least two respects, according to Amit Klein, chief technology officer at security firm Trusteer, which discovered it.

Unlike other conventional hacking tools, OddJob does not require fraudsters to log into a user's online bank account to steal from it. Instead, the malware is designed to hijack a user's online banking session in real-time by stealing session ID tokens.

These are tokens issued by a bank to identify a user's online bank session. By stealing the tokens and embedding them into their own browsers, fraudsters can impersonate a legitimate user and access accounts while the user is is still active online. The access allows fraudsters to then conduct whatever banking operations the account holder can perform.

"The malware essentially allows the fraudster to share the session with the victim so that any activity the victim can see, the fraudster can see as well," Klein said.

The approach is different than typical man-in-the browser attacks where attackers use Trojans to steal login credentials that are then used to break into online accounts.

The second interesting feature in OddJob is its ability to keep an online banking session open and live even after users think they have logged out of their account. This allows criminals to extract money and continue other fraudulent activity even after the user thinks the session has ended.

"The fraudster has a keen interest in the session not being terminated. So in order to avoid that, the malware has the ability to detect logout attempts and to discard them," he said. The users will likely not notice the failed logout, or will assume the bank server is sluggish and shut their browser down without realizing that their sessions are still active.

Trusteer first came across OddJob last year during a fraud investigation for a bank. The company has been unable to openly talk about it until now because of investigations by law enforcement agencies, Klein said.

OddJob presently is programmed to steal session ID tokens from customers of dozens of specific banks in the U.S., Poland and Denmark. When customers log into their accounts using Microsoft's Internet Explorer or Mozilla's Firefox, OddJob grabs their session ID token and sends it in real-time to the Command-and-Control server where the session can be hijacked.

According to Trusteer, an analysis of OddJob's configuration data shows that it can be programmed to execute other actions on targeted Web site besides stealing session information. The code can grab full pages of data, terminate connections and inject malicious code into sites.

Unlike most banking Trojans , when OddJob gets downloaded on a user's system its configuration code is not saved to disk. Instead, a fresh copy of the configuration data is grabbed from the Command-and-Control server each time a fresh browser session is opened.

OddJob will likely feature more sophisticated functions in future, Klein said. "We believe it is a work in progress. We are seeing functions being added on a weekly basis."

Jaikumar Vijayan covers data security and privacy issues, financial services security and e-voting for Computerworld. Follow Jaikumar on Twitter at @jaivijayan or subscribe to Jaikumar's RSS feed . His e-mail address is jvijayan@computerworld.com.

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This is the top of the Win7 News, which I will google and might get the info for our readers so they can receive it. As I recall there was a one time charge but it is worth it.

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Windows 7 does IPv6, but Should You Care?

Editor's Corner

Windows 7 does IPv6, but Should You Care?
Follow-up: The Future of Windows
Quotes of the Week
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News, Hints, Tips and Tricks

Windows 7 SP1 now available through Windows Update and on DVD
Microsoft to release Kinect SDK
Some details leak about Dell's Windows 7 tablet
Will Sprint beat Verizon to market with a Windows Phone?
How to: Using the New Windows 7 Features

How to link your Windows 7 user account with your Windows Live ID
Windows 7 and Vista Security

New Trojan steals data from online banking accounts
Question Corner

How do I back up the registry?
Windows 7 Configuration and Troubleshooting

Windows 7 clients intermittently fail to apply group policy at startup
System restore points are deleted when you restart your Windows 7 computer
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This Week's Links We Like. Tips, Hints And Fun Stuff
Product of the Week

Text Speaker: Turn Text Documents Into MP3 Audio or Read Them Aloud
Here is their Home Page: Windows 7 News & Tips

You the readers will have to do it on your own from here out.. and have a safe time on line.

And once there near the bottom of the page you will see Win 8 is about ready to be released...
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