FSU plays fairness card in appeal - Page 2

cnredd · #11 (**permalink**) 07-04-2009, 02:42 AM

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Originally Posted by saltwn

They should sanction the players. Kick em to the curb. Make em be hall monitor, clean the chalk board, wear "I am a cheater" T-Shirts.
But not take wins away. How can you take wins away from the winner? That's silly.

Far from silly...

Although there are innocent parties, they STILL benefited from the illegal activity...

In other words, there were players on Bowden's teams that should've NEVER been on the field in the first place because THEY conducted illegal activities that kept them on the team...

Bowden benefitted by winning games using players that shouldn't have been in uniform on the days Bowden won...Whether he knew it or not is irrelevant...

The Little League had a similiar controversy...Danny Almonte was a pitcher blowing away the competition as a pitcher...

Then it was found out he was older than his birth certificate says he was...

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As part of Dominican officials' investigation, Victor Romero, head of the national public records office, interviewed the witnesses whose signatures appeared on the 1989 birth certificate. They both denied knowing Rojas or Felipe Almonte, let alone signing the certificate. On August 31, Romero announced that Danny had in fact been born in 1987.

As a result, Danny was retroactively declared ineligible, and the Baby Bombers had to forfeit all their wins in tournament play. All of their records were wiped from the books, and the team was required to demonstrate compliance with all regulations before entering the 2002 tournament.

Danny (and his father) were the guilty parties, but the team forfeited their wins because the player they used to win was illegal...His co-players probably didn't know it, but they benifitted from it illegally...

That is the SAME logic for FSU...Bowden used illegal players to win games...

saltwn · #12 (**permalink**) 07-04-2009, 02:50 AM

I better not meet one of those cheaters in a dark alley.

cnredd · #13 (**permalink**) 07-04-2009, 02:59 AM

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Originally Posted by saltwn

I better not meet one of those cheaters in a dark alley.

Congrats...

You're now placing the blame on the rightful parties and not the people who imposed the punishment...

dabateman · #14 (**permalink**) 07-04-2009, 03:08 AM

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Originally Posted by cnredd

Far from silly...

Although there are innocent parties, they STILL benefited from the illegal activity...

In other words, there were players on Bowden's teams that should've NEVER been on the field in the first place because THEY conducted illegal activities that kept them on the team...

Bowden benefitted by winning games using players that shouldn't have been in uniform on the days Bowden won...Whether he knew it or not is irrelevant...

The Little League had a similiar controversy...Danny Almonte was a pitcher blowing away the competition as a pitcher...

Then it was found out he was older than his birth certificate says he was...

Danny (and his father) were the guilty parties, but the team forfeited their wins because the player they used to win was illegal...His co-players probably didn't know it, but they benifitted from it illegally...

That is the SAME logic for FSU...Bowden used illegal players to win games...

IF Bowden was not aware, then the school should go unpunished. If he was, then they should be punished. HE is the responsible party and he can't take corrective action if he wasn't aware of the infraction. His action upon learning of the infraction should determine the response that should/could apply to the school.

cnredd · #15 (**permalink**) 07-04-2009, 03:18 AM

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Originally Posted by dabateman

HE is the responsible party and he can't take corrective action if he wasn't aware of the infraction.

If he's NOT AWARE of the infractions than that doesn't sound like he's being RESPONSIBLE to me...

If the president of a company doesn't know one of his VPs (or even a family member) is stealing money under his(her) administration, think the board of directors is gonna keep him around because of his ignorance?...

(The answer is "no", unless you're ACORN, who had almost $1 million stolen by the brother of their founder and they just decided to make him pay it back instead of calling authorities and having him arrested.)...

dabateman · #16 (**permalink**) 07-04-2009, 03:26 AM

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Originally Posted by cnredd

If he's NOT AWARE of the infractions than that doesn't sound like he's being RESPONSIBLE to me...

If the president of a company doesn't know one of his VPs (or even a family member) is stealing money under his(her) administration, think the board of directors is gonna keep him around because of his ignorance?...

(The answer is "no", unless you're ACORN, who had almost $1 million stolen by the brother of their founder and they just decided to make him pay it back instead of calling authorities and having him arrested.)...

Actually, most would keep the President of the company IF he took all reasonable precautions and acted on information as soon as needed. I don't know how many people you manage, and in what capacity, but it's hard to know everything about everyone's actions. Not just hard, impossible.

saltwn · #17 (**permalink**) 07-04-2009, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by cnredd

If he's NOT AWARE of the infractions than that doesn't sound like he's being RESPONSIBLE to me...

If the president of a company doesn't know one of his VPs (or even a family member) is stealing money under his(her) administration, think the board of directors is gonna keep him around because of his ignorance?...

(The answer is "no", unless you're ACORN, who had almost $1 million stolen by the brother of their founder and they just decided to make him pay it back instead of calling authorities and having him arrested.)...

Bobby Bowden is the head coach of the football team. He would have no way to check if they were going to cheat on a test or not.

saltwn · #18 (**permalink**) 07-05-2009, 02:56 AM

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Originally Posted by 88kfsu

Here is another academic cheating case at FSU:

Rip-off Report: Florida State University (FSU) Another Academic Misconduct at Florida State University (FSU) Tallahassee Florida

FSU alway do whatever they can do for the "wins/credits".

I wish there was a way for everyone who is good at football to be allowed to attend college. I respect intelligence, but I deeply honor fine athletes.

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