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Old 06-17-2009, 10:16 PM
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I thought the left was pro fairness doctrine and that the right was opposed to it. I would prefer ABC give equal time on their own,that would be exciting...
You're confusing GOVERNMENT FORCE and COMPANY POLICY...

The Fairness Doctrine would be a federal mandate...That's different from a company doing this on it's own...

Just like someone saying they got fired wrongfully because of something they said...."Free speech" does not apply because it was a private entity doing the firing; not the government...

If ABC was run by the government and denied access to opposing viewpoints, then you'd have a correct Fairness Doctrine comparison...

But ABC isn't...they are doing this of their own volition...
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You're confusing GOVERNMENT FORCE and COMPANY POLICY...

The Fairness Doctrine would be a federal mandate...That's different from a company doing this on it's own...

Just like someone saying they got fired wrongfully because of something they said...."Free speech" does not apply because it was a private entity doing the firing; not the government...

If ABC was run by the government and denied access to opposing viewpoints, then you'd have a correct Fairness Doctrine comparison...

But ABC isn't...they are doing this of their own volition...
No... you are confused,I'm saying the right opposes the Fairness Doctrine and if it was still the law of the land...ABC would've been "forced" to give the right equal time.

Simply put...the constant demand for equal time or that the liberal media is unfair could in fact lead to the revival of the fairness doctrine. Do we really want that?....I don't...
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Yeah. As was mentioned, I think, no opposing view was noted on the FDR presentations.
I'm beginning to think the new GOP is just anti anti.
Complaining about "me, me, me!!" all the time.
Do they want America to succeed?
Maybe not if it means Obama will look good.
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No... you are confused,I'm saying the right opposes the Fairness Doctrine and if it was still the law of the land...ABC would've been "forced" to give the right equal time.

Simply put...the constant demand for equal time or that the liberal media is unfair could in fact lead to the revival of the fairness doctrine. Do we really want that?....I don't...
Nope...

You won't find one person on the right that DEMANDS the government to FORCE ABC to provide equal coverage...That's would be as equally disgusting as the Fairness Doctrine itself...

What's at issue here is really the idea that a network won't come out and say "We suck Obama schlong...and we do it with a smile"...

You can tell us all day that Rush is rightwing and Hewitt is rightwing and Hannity is rightwing and any other talk show is rightwing...

What you DON'T see is these people DENYING IT!!!...

They tell you UP FRONT they are...They have no qualms admitting it, and are quite proud of their positions...

What you (especially as an independant) should be looking for is the SAME HONESTY when it comes to ABC (or any other media)...

If ABC just came out and said the truth...that they're already 3 feet off the ground by the time Obama says "jump", I may not like it, but I'll know they're being honest with the public...

Saying "I stand here" is ALOT more credible than saying "I'll pretend I stand here" and then doing everything that shows that you don't..
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Then again-
When has FoxNews ever had a real opposing view and not some loony looking mark?

Which is it : 'pot callin' kettle black'?
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'me thinks thou doth protest too much'?
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If ABC just came out and said the truth...that they're already 3 feet off the ground by the time Obama says "jump", I may not like it, but I'll know they're being honest with the public...

Saying "I stand here" is ALOT more credible than saying "I'll pretend I stand here" and then doing everything that shows that you don't..
The game of semantics is a most enjoyable game that all of us use from time to time. I said earlier in this thread that I would prefer that ABC granted equal time to opposing viewpoints.FOX for years has stated that they are fair and balanced.If that was once true ( I never bought it ) it's no longer true and almost everyone would agree with me. Don't tell me that if ABC came out and said ABC stands for -A-nything -B-ut -C-onservative they would win your admiration! Let's see how ABC handles this..they deny that it will be an "infomercial". If they lied...the right will have justifiable fodder for their cannon and Newt will score even more points against Obama..
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Then again-
When has FoxNews ever had a real opposing view and not some loony looking mark?

Which is it : 'pot callin' kettle black'?
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'me thinks thou doth protest too much'?
Comparing Fox News to ABC is silly. ABC, NBC, CBS ... those are full fledged networks. Fox News and MSNBC are infotainment cable channels.
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If Bush said "We are heading in to Afgahinistan to get those wha attacked us. And I would like to have some air time" I would have imagined there would have been no problem. But because you don't think he should tackle this issue you think he should debate it.
You have done a masterful job of reformulating the question, and then answering the new-and-improved (?) version.

The original question was this: If then-President Bush had requested air time to explain and defend the Global War on Terror, as perceived and executed by that administration, do you suppose that ABC News would have gone along with the request; and even supplemented it with additional (free) air time, which excludes any dissenting voices?

By the way, judging from your responses to other posts, I can only surmise that you believe that all of President Obama's agenda should be rubber stamped, simply because he won the 2008 presidential election.

One has to wonder: Did you feel that George Bush's agenda should have been rubber stamped by the Democrats in Congress, including his plans to revamp Social Security?

If not, can you see why some of us would see that as a double standard?
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Keep on bitching....this is fodder for the fairness doctrine,do we really want to return to that????

I'm sure that after the "show"...the right wing will use Fox and their "enviable" hold on talk radio to refute Obama and make their case.Would it be better if ABC granted equal time? Sure...I would prefer that but I dread the day they are "forced" to grant equal time. This type of outrage may be the catalyst for a return to the fairness doctrine.The D's would LOVE that...
I agree that the (misleadingly named) Fairness Doctrine was an atrocity; and I would strongly oppose any suggestion of a return to it.

But it is irresponsibe and ham-handed for the party in power to refuse any discourse with the other major party; and it is downright scary to see a major television network acting as a handmaiden of its preferred party.

ABC is giving free air time to President Obama; but it steadfastly refuses to even sell a little air time to those who offer opposing views. And I find that to be more like something one might expect to see happening in, say, Caracas than in Washington.
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There is a time that the POTUS gets to speak as the POTUS on his plans. There are times its better to be POTUS, This is one of those times. Thats why you want a Republican in there again.
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You have done a masterful job of reformulating the question, and then answering the new-and-improved (?) version.

The original question was this: If then-President Bush had requested air time to explain and defend the Global War on Terror, as perceived and executed by that administration, do you suppose that ABC News would have gone along with the request; and even supplemented it with additional (free) air time, which excludes any dissenting voices?

By the way, judging from your responses to other posts, I can only surmise that you believe that all of President Obama's agenda should be rubber stamped, simply because he won the 2008 presidential election.

One has to wonder: Did you feel that George Bush's agenda should have been rubber stamped by the Democrats in Congress, including his plans to revamp Social Security?

If not, can you see why some of us would see that as a double standard?
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