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Look at the environmental protection agency's CO2-per-kilowatt-hour map of the US and two bright patches of low-carbon happiness jump out. One is the hydro-powered Pacific Northwest. The other is Vermont, where a 30-year-old nuclear reactor, Vermont Yankee, keeps the Ben & Jerry's cold. The darkest area corresponds to Washington, DC, where coal-fired power plants release 520 times more atmospheric carbon per megawatt-hour than their Vermont counterpart. That's right: 520 times. Jimmy Carter was right to turn down the heat in the White House.

There's no question that nuclear power is the most climate-friendly industrial-scale energy source. You can worry about radioactive waste or proliferating weapons. You can complain about the high cost of construction and decommissioning. But the reality is that every serious effort at carbon accounting reaches the same conclusion: Nukes win. Only wind comes close — and that's when it's blowing. A UK government white paper last year factored in everything from uranium mining to plant decommissioning and determined that nuclear power emits 2 to 6 percent of the carbon per kilowatt-hour as natural gas, the cleanest of the fossil fuels.

Embracing the atom is key to winning the war on warming: Electric power generates 26 percent of the world's greenhouse gas emissions and 39 percent of the United States' — it's the biggest contributor to global warming.

Face It. Nukes Are the Most Climate-Friendly Industrial-Scale Form of Energy

Barring a MAJOR break-through in storing and collection of energy, solar is a pipe-dream. Suitable for small-scale applications, but financially not feasible for larger use. (Not to mention the actual space that is necessary to implement large-scale energy use.)

Wind, hydro, and thermal work well for where they are available, but they don't really have the quantity of resources to assume a leader role in energy production.

Nuclear has some draw-backs, but unfortunately many of them are hyped to be more in tune with a "Godzilla" movie than they are reality.
If we are to be serious at limiting our dependence on foreign oil, nuclear has to be a more prominent option.
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Barring a MAJOR break-through in storing and collection of energy, solar is a pipe-dream.
False.

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Solar power towers consist of a large field of sun-tracking mirrors, called heliostats, which focus solar energy on a receiver atop a centrally located tower. The enormous amount of energy, coming out of the sun rays, concentrated at one point (the tower in the middle), produces temperatures of approx. 550°C to 1500°C. The gained thermal energy can be used for heating water or molten salt, which saves the energy for later use.
Heatened water gets to steam, which is used to move the turbine-generator. This way thermal energy is converted into electricity.
These towers are fairly expensive, but they would be perfect for Arab states to adopt in preparation to when they run out of oil. Better yet, the water used to power the steam turbines is desalinated, so it can be reused as drinking water and provide even more revenue.

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Wind, hydro, and thermal work well for where they are available, but they don't really have the quantity of resources to assume a leader role in energy production.
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Nuclear has some draw-backs, but unfortunately many of them are hyped to be more in tune with a "Godzilla" movie than they are reality.
If we are to be serious at limiting our dependence on foreign oil, nuclear has to be a more prominent option.
I completely agree.

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Look at the environmental protection agency's CO2-per-kilowatt-hour map of the US and two bright patches of low-carbon happiness jump out. One is the hydro-powered Pacific Northwest. The other is Vermont, where a 30-year-old nuclear reactor, Vermont Yankee, keeps the Ben & Jerry's cold. The darkest area corresponds to Washington, DC, where coal-fired power plants release 520 times more atmospheric carbon per megawatt-hour than their Vermont counterpart. That's right: 520 times. Jimmy Carter was right to turn down the heat in the White House.

There's no question that nuclear power is the most climate-friendly industrial-scale energy source. You can worry about radioactive waste or proliferating weapons. You can complain about the high cost of construction and decommissioning. But the reality is that every serious effort at carbon accounting reaches the same conclusion: Nukes win. Only wind comes close — and that's when it's blowing. A UK government white paper last year factored in everything from uranium mining to plant decommissioning and determined that nuclear power emits 2 to 6 percent of the carbon per kilowatt-hour as natural gas, the cleanest of the fossil fuels.

Embracing the atom is key to winning the war on warming: Electric power generates 26 percent of the world's greenhouse gas emissions and 39 percent of the United States' — it's the biggest contributor to global warming.

Face It. Nukes Are the Most Climate-Friendly Industrial-Scale Form of Energy

Barring a MAJOR break-through in storing and collection of energy, solar is a pipe-dream. Suitable for small-scale applications, but financially not feasible for larger use. (Not to mention the actual space that is necessary to implement large-scale energy use.)

Wind, hydro, and thermal work well for where they are available, but they don't really have the quantity of resources to assume a leader role in energy production.

Nuclear has some draw-backs, but unfortunately many of them are hyped to be more in tune with a "Godzilla" movie than they are reality.
If we are to be serious at limiting our dependence on foreign oil, nuclear has to be a more prominent option.
Also, there hasn't been a nuclear reactor built in the US in decades...

If one (or more) were to be built now, a majority of the problems faced in the 70s & 80s aren't relevant because of new technology...

We'd be much more nuclear now if it wasn't for the NIMBYs...
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Also, there hasn't been a nuclear reactor built in the US in decades...
If one (or more) were to be built now, a majority of the problems faced in the 70s & 80s aren't relevant because of new technology...
We'd be much more nuclear now if it wasn't for the NIMBYs...
I agree whole-heartedly, but I have to throw in this qualifier...

When I went through the nuclear training for the Navy, we reviewed the historic nuclear accidents.
The accidents happening typically weren't relying on a deficiency in technology (or at least not exclusively), but rather just plain stupid human error.

Some of them were mind-bogglingly STUPID in that people specifically IGNORED the rules and operated equipment in explicit violation of what they had been trained to do.
One incident involved people assuming that an indication was stuck (and wrong) for hours during which it indicated a trouble condition. Kind of like continuing to drive your car after you see the temperature is in the red zone, but assuming it was wrong.

Chernobyl was one human error after another, compounding upon compounding.
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Look at the environmental protection agency's CO2-per-kilowatt-hour map of the US and two bright patches of low-carbon happiness jump out. One is the hydro-powered Pacific Northwest. The other is Vermont, where a 30-year-old nuclear reactor, Vermont Yankee, keeps the Ben & Jerry's cold. The darkest area corresponds to Washington, DC, where coal-fired power plants release 520 times more atmospheric carbon per megawatt-hour than their Vermont counterpart. That's right: 520 times. Jimmy Carter was right to turn down the heat in the White House.

There's no question that nuclear power is the most climate-friendly industrial-scale energy source. You can worry about radioactive waste or proliferating weapons. You can complain about the high cost of construction and decommissioning. But the reality is that every serious effort at carbon accounting reaches the same conclusion: Nukes win. Only wind comes close — and that's when it's blowing. A UK government white paper last year factored in everything from uranium mining to plant decommissioning and determined that nuclear power emits 2 to 6 percent of the carbon per kilowatt-hour as natural gas, the cleanest of the fossil fuels.

Embracing the atom is key to winning the war on warming: Electric power generates 26 percent of the world's greenhouse gas emissions and 39 percent of the United States' — it's the biggest contributor to global warming.

Face It. Nukes Are the Most Climate-Friendly Industrial-Scale Form of Energy

Barring a MAJOR break-through in storing and collection of energy, solar is a pipe-dream. Suitable for small-scale applications, but financially not feasible for larger use. (Not to mention the actual space that is necessary to implement large-scale energy use.)

Wind, hydro, and thermal work well for where they are available, but they don't really have the quantity of resources to assume a leader role in energy production.

Nuclear has some draw-backs, but unfortunately many of them are hyped to be more in tune with a "Godzilla" movie than they are reality.
If we are to be serious at limiting our dependence on foreign oil, nuclear has to be a more prominent option.
This subject has always made me wonder if the real reason for going after Iran was the energy. Since they aren't making the components anymore.
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This is way better than anything mentioned.

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Konarka makes low cost sources of renewable power - About Konarka

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Our country alone has been targeted and hit by more than 300 nuclear bombs. Add in the Russian, British, Chinese, Indian, Pakistani, French, South African, North Korean Tests and you will soon discover almost a thousand nuclear detonations. I didn't list Israel because they never got caught testing an explosion. SO anyway........Why are we still here?
Check out some actual data. See some way cool video too.
DOE - NNSA/NSO -- Historical Test Films
Trinity and Beyond
Trinity Atomic Web Site
http://www.lanl.gov/history/hbombon/...ber%201992.pdf
Nuclear Files: Library: Media Gallery: Video Files: Testing Footage


Solar power, geothermal power, dams etc........All great neverending power sources. All however are pretty much LOCKED into specific locations.
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