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Switchgrass is drought, insect and disease resistant. It set down deep roots and assists in building good top soil. It is perennial, and row plantings is not necessary. It can be planted on marginal crop lands. If grown on the same land perennially, it grows to 8 ft tall and provides habitat to wildlife. It is harvested like hay and baled up. Family farms can easily participate in switchgrass crops.

It has enormous advantages over corn. However, we also need to pay attention to the new breakthrough, biodiesel derived from algae. There is a pilot project with an algae greenhouse set up beside a traditional power plant in Arizona. The traditional power plant pumps emissions into the algae greenhouse rich in CO2. The algae absorbs the CO2 and expels oxygen. There are DAILY harvests of biofuel. See the October issue of National Geographic for an excellent article comparing biofuels and explaining the new algae breakthrough.
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Switchgrass is drought, insect and disease resistant. It set down deep roots and assists in building good top soil. It is perennial, and row plantings is not necessary. It can be planted on marginal crop lands. If grown on the same land perennially, it grows to 8 ft tall and provides habitat to wildlife. It is harvested like hay and baled up. Family farms can easily participate in switchgrass crops.

It has enormous advantages over corn. However, we also need to pay attention to the new breakthrough, biodiesel derived from algae. There is a pilot project with an algae greenhouse set up beside a traditional power plant in Arizona. The traditional power plant pumps emissions into the algae greenhouse rich in CO2. The algae absorbs the CO2 and expels oxygen. There are DAILY harvests of biofuel. See the October issue of National Geographic for an excellent article comparing biofuels and explaining the new algae breakthrough.
You are totally correct on this:
Not just on switchgrass(as GW said) but also on algae biodiesel.
I saw that algae biofuel plant on Modern Marvels and would like to note that it is exactly the type of facility that would qualify as a source from which to buy those useless "carbon credits" but a smart person would actually just invest directly so as to reap some of the profit.
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There would still have to have some sort of conformity...I doubt one engine could be used for both, and I REALLY doubt you could switch from one form of biodiesal to another...
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I would be willing to bet that GW did his homework on "switch grass" before he mentioned it several years ago in a State of the Union Address and the media barely noticed like they usually do and did not at all get the main point of the speech about it. That it is probably the BEST of the choices for a bio fuel source. Just as their vision is not long enough for them to recognize the same thing about hydrogen.
Speaking of grass that lowly hemp seed and fiber has always been one of the ultimate sources also, and may I quote from the Bible about "seed bearing herbs" being on Earth for man's use.
Hey he is famous for knowing what he is talking about. Especially when he says it in state of the union speeches. BTW people have used pot plants for years to make a multitude of products from paper to oil. It needs no pesticides and it grows like a "Weed"
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There would still have to have some sort of conformity...I doubt one engine could be used for both, and I REALLY doubt you could switch from one form of biodiesal to another...
I had to look this up to be sure I knew what I was talking about. I did not find anything on different types of biodiesel but the consensus seems to be that, except for older engines, diesel engines need no modification to run biodiesel. I don't see why this would not also be true for biodiesel from differing sources.
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Can I use biodiesel in my existing diesel engine?
Biodiesel can be operated in any diesel engine with little or no modification to the engine or the fuel system. Biodiesel has a solvent effect that may release deposits accumulated on tank walls and pipes from previous diesel fuel storage. The release of deposits may clog filters initially and precautions should be taken. Ensure that only fuel meeting the biodiesel specification is used..

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The answer to this question is YES you can.
IF IT RUNS ON DIESEL IT RUNS BETTER ON BIODIESEL!!
Any diesel vehicle or diesel engine can run using biodiesel and NO modification is required to modern day cars, vans or trucks (you can also use biodiesel in boats, boilers, generators and heaters).
Biodiesel will prolong the life of your engine as it is very lubricious and even used in very low mix percentages it can reduce engine wear substantially.
The transition is seamless; you simply use biodiesel as a replacement or in addition to your standard fuel. It can be used in its pure form (B100) or blended with fossil diesel in any percentage.

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A: Typically biodiesel blends up to 20% (B20) can be operated in any diesel engine with little or no modification to the engine or the fuel system. Biodiesel has a solvent effect that may release deposits accumulated on tank walls and pipes from previous diesel fuel storage. The release of deposits may clog filters initially and precautions should be taken to change them when needed. Ensure that only biodiesel meeting the Tennessee Department of Agricultures' specification is used.

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Can I use biodiesel in my vehicle and boat without making engine modifications?

Blends of up to 20% biodiesel (mixed with petroleum diesel fuels) can be used in nearly all diesel engines, boilers and generators, and are compatible with most storage and distribution equipment. These low level blends (20% and less) don't require any engine modifications and can provide the same payload capacity and range as diesel.

Pure biodiesel (B100) has a solvent effect, which may release deposits accumulated on tank walls and pipes from previous diesel fuel use. This release of deposits may clog filters initially and filters should be replaced after the first 24 hours of biodiesel use. There is no evidence that lower-blend levels such as B20 have caused filters to plug.

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There is no conversion required to use biodiesel just like petroleum diesel. On pre-1990 vehicles you should replace any rubber fuel system components with synthetics. We also recommend that you replace your fuel filter after your first tank or two of biodiesel, since biodiesel is a very good solvent and will scrub out all the tars, varnishes and gums left by fossil diesel in your fuel system.

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My last years Ford Diesel came with a notice that I could use any biodiesel. But the new one I have requires low sulpher diesel. I don't know what that means in the big scheme of things
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Diesel himself demonstrated his new engine at the World Fair using oil.

I am not entirely familiar with diesel mechanics, but the vehicles I have seen burn oil have two tanks. The engine needs to warm up on regular diesel and then you switch over to oil. There is a website for VeggiePower on the internet. This high IQ cowboy starting converting diesel vehicles over to oil over a decade ago. He is based in Ojai, California.His system was to go get your own oil. Restaurants have to dispose of their cooking oil every 3 to 7 days. The better quality restaurants tend to use oil fewer times, and are therefore better as a source.
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Diesel himself demonstrated his new engine at the World Fair using oil.

I am not entirely familiar with diesel mechanics, but the vehicles I have seen burn oil have two tanks. The engine needs to warm up on regular diesel and then you switch over to oil. There is a website for VeggiePower on the internet. This high IQ cowboy starting converting diesel vehicles over to oil over a decade ago. He is based in Ojai, California.His system was to go get your own oil. Restaurants have to dispose of their cooking oil every 3 to 7 days. The better quality restaurants tend to use oil fewer times, and are therefore better as a source.
"Dirty Jobs" had a show with a guy whose car ran on cooking oil Mike Rowe had to collect...There was one SMALL change to the engine for it to work, but it did...

Here's the problem though...

The guy had to create a filtration sytem in his garage in order to get the oil to the correct cleanliness and specs...

A) That's not something the general public would be willing to do...

B) I don't know the feasability of having stations that perform that task to make the oil clean enough for public consumption...

Proving it CAN be done is one thing...

Proving it can be done on a national scale AND keeping costs down is quite another...
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I knew we were already using bio d, but here are some fuel stops that sell it to big riggers:

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We have been using it for ...hmmm...I'm thinking two years at least.
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"Dirty Jobs" had a show with a guy whose car ran on cooking oil Mike Rowe had to collect...There was one SMALL change to the engine for it to work, but it did...

Here's the problem though...

The guy had to create a filtration sytem in his garage in order to get the oil to the correct cleanliness and specs...

A) That's not something the general public would be willing to do...

B) I don't know the feasability of having stations that perform that task to make the oil clean enough for public consumption...

Proving it CAN be done is one thing...

Proving it can be done on a national scale AND keeping costs down is quite another...
There are several cities in Alabama that are currently producing or preparing to produce biodiesel for their city vehicles.

In one case, a high school shop teacher built a system to recycle the school cooking oil to run the school buses. They claim to have saved thousands of dollars on fuel in the past year.

Plus, if I remember correctly, the waste after processing is basically soap and can be purified and used as such. I don't remember if the school was doing this or just considering adding it to their program.

Another city is asking restaurants and homeowners to donate their cooking oil for them to recycle.

It seems that this is a process that can be lucrative on either a small or large scale.
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