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Old 08-11-2009, 05:51 PM
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GM: Electric Volt car will get 230 miles per gallon

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General Motors said Tuesday its new Chevy Volt will get 230 miles per gallon in the city, dwarfing the current mileage leader and giving the automaker reason to crow about its strides in fuel efficiency.

GM, fresh out of bankruptcy, is looking to the Volt to highlight a parade of 25 new vehicles by 2011 aimed at stemming market-share declines and bringing the automaker back to profitability. The Volt could also give GM a much-needed makeover in terms of its reputation for lagging behind the push toward "green" technology.

Scheduled for late 2010, the Volt will be able to travel up to 40 miles on electricity from a single charge, based on testing of pre-production prototypes and extend its overall range to 300 miles or more using a flex fuel-powered engine-generator.

The small engine is only used to power the battery.

Actual gas-free mileage will vary depending on the length of travel, the number of passengers, cargo weight and other factors, the company said. The 230 miles per gallon figure is based on tests that used new federal fuel economy standards for plug-in cars.
But this does NOT show the consequences...

How long to recharge?...How much to charge an engine fully?...More than a tank of gas?...

Can a regular outlet be used? Will there be portbility issues?...

What happens to a town's grid when 10,000 people decide to charge their cars at the same time?...

Will mechanics need PhDs to work on one?...

What happens to the battery when it dies?...Is it toxic?...
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Old 08-11-2009, 06:19 PM
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GM: Electric Volt car will get 230 miles per gallon

But this does NOT show the consequences...

How long to recharge?...How much to charge an engine fully?...More than a tank of gas?...

Watching the news this evening if you only use the electric motor the Volt will go 40 miles on a charge. It will only cost about 40 cents a day to charge. There is also some sort of recharging going on when driving, but I'm not sure how it works.

Can a regular outlet be used? Will there be portbility issues?...

Yes.

What happens to a town's grid when 10,000 people decide to charge their cars at the same time?...

If one town has 10,000 Volt owners they will be lucky.

Will mechanics need PhDs to work on one?...

GM trains all their mechanics with updates and procedures. The cars will be under warranty so as long as you take them to a GM facility, no worry's.

What happens to the battery when it dies?...Is it toxic?...

The dealers will take the batteries back and they will be recycled.

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GM: Electric Volt car will get 230 miles per gallon

But this does NOT show the consequences...

How long to recharge?...How much to charge an engine fully?...More than a tank of gas?...

Can a regular outlet be used? Will there be portbility issues?...

What happens to a town's grid when 10,000 people decide to charge their cars at the same time?...

Will mechanics need PhDs to work on one?...

What happens to the battery when it dies?...Is it toxic?...
Hooray! (So said some folks the day an oil rig came in, the day the model T was perfected, the day the horse and buggy drifted into the past and Central Park) hooray! We don't have to walk everywhere! Now we can ride! OH! DAMN!! BUT WAIT
Who will work on them? Are they safe? What about fuel portability?
M-m-maybe I better just stay right here in the good old horse-and-buggy days where it's safe.
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Hooray!!! Let's throw a huge new burden on our already over-taxed power grid and watch the rolling brown-outs.

When are people going to learn that without the infrastructure to support a new technology, the new technology is worthless? In the case of the Model-T, there was already a supply of gasoline available and there were people who were already looking ahead and developing the technology and infrastructure needed. Well before the Model-T, Standard Oil was already developing the science to better refine gasoline (prior to this it was a low quality by-product of the kerosene refining process). Without Standard Oil's foresight, the Model-T would have been a failure because there was no dependable supply of fuel. As it was, the early Model-T owners still struggled to get fuel.

Now, lets move ahead 100 years and look at our new electric cars. We currently have a power grid that's already stretched thin and we're now going to add in a huge new burden without the addition of these cars. It would be like running the Model-T on kerosene whene there was already a kerosene shortage. The result would have been a massive spike in kerosene prices that would most dramatically impact the poorest segments of society. If we threw a couple 100,000 electric cars on the road, we'd substantially increase teh demand on our power grid and that would result in power shortages and increases in power costs. Guess who gets hit the hardest if power costs go up??
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Hooray!!! Let's throw a huge new burden on our already over-taxed power grid and watch the rolling brown-outs.

When are people going to learn that without the infrastructure to support a new technology, the new technology is worthless? In the case of the Model-T, there was already a supply of gasoline available and there were people who were already looking ahead and developing the technology and infrastructure needed. Well before the Model-T, Standard Oil was already developing the science to better refine gasoline (prior to this it was a low quality by-product of the kerosene refining process). Without Standard Oil's foresight, the Model-T would have been a failure because there was no dependable supply of fuel. As it was, the early Model-T owners still struggled to get fuel.

Now, lets move ahead 100 years and look at our new electric cars. We currently have a power grid that's already stretched thin and we're now going to add in a huge new burden without the addition of these cars. It would be like running the Model-T on kerosene whene there was already a kerosene shortage. The result would have been a massive spike in kerosene prices that would most dramatically impact the poorest segments of society. If we threw a couple 100,000 electric cars on the road, we'd substantially increase teh demand on our power grid and that would result in power shortages and increases in power costs. Guess who gets hit the hardest if power costs go up??
No we did not have "infrastructure" in place already when the model T was released. In fact out west we didn't know if there would be propane or gasoline come out ahead in what people were buying and what gas stations should carry. The market decided just like you guys are always spouting you want to happen.
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