Microwave test – an eye opener |

MrLiberty · #1 (**permalink**) 04-17-2014, 04:32 PM

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Below is a Science fair project presented by a girl in a secondary school in Sussex.
In it she took filtered water and divided it into two parts.

The first part she heated to boiling in a pan on the stove, and the second part she heated to boiling in a microwave.

Then after cooling she used the water to water two identical plants to see if there would be any difference in the growth between the normal boiled water and the water boiled in a microwave.

She was thinking that the structure or energy of the water may be compromised by microwave.

As it turned out, even she was amazed at the difference, after the experiment which was repeated by her class mates a number of times and had the same result.

It has been known for some years that the problem with microwaved anything is not the radiation people used to worry about, it’s how it corrupts the DNA in the food so the body can not recognize it.

Microwaves don’t work different ways on different substances. Whatever you put into the microwave suffers the same destructive process. Microwaves agitate the molecules to move faster and faster. This movement causes friction which denatures the original make-up of the substance. It results in destroyed vitamins, minerals, proteins and generates the new stuff called radiolytic compounds, things that are not found in nature.

So the body wraps it in fat cells to protect itself from the dead food or it eliminates it fast. Think of all the Mothers heating up milk in these ‘Safe’ appliances. What about the nurse in Canada that warmed up blood for a transfusion patient and accidentally killed him when the blood went in dead. But the makers say it’s safe. But proof is in the pictures of living plants dying!!!

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Microwave test ? an eye opener | Employee News | 2012 Indy Info

I think I'll get rid of my microwave. I only use it to heat my leftover coffee but still.........

squerly · #2 (**permalink**) 04-17-2014, 04:41 PM

Well, this is not good...

Topcat · #3 (**permalink**) 04-18-2014, 12:48 AM

Since water has no DNA how could microwaving it "corrupt" it?

Did you notice that the article you posted is from a whacky New Age website?
2012 Indy Info | Here and Now The link they got their info. from seems to be down.

I looked on the internet and the anti-microwave sites I found seem to be by New Age goofballs.

Here are some of the things I found that you might want to check out:
snopes.com: Microwaved Water - See What It Does to Plants
Is Microwaving Food Bad for You? Are Microwave Ovens Bad for Your Health?

I personally would not want to base what I do or do not do based on an experiment by a little girl in some science fair. There is also an article that they
claim was written by William P. Kopp. They try to tie the invention of the microwave oven in with WW 2 and the Germans.
The microwave oven was actually invented by an American named Percy Spencer it was originally called a "radar range" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Percy_Spencer Since the microwave oven has been in use for around 70 years and people haven't been dropping dead from eating food cooked in them I wouldn't worry. Now please excuse me while I go out to the kitchen and nuke a pizza.

mr wonder · #4 (**permalink**) 04-18-2014, 05:57 AM

I don't use microwaves anymore for a couple of reasons.

the radiation it leaks is 1st one in my book.
What it does to food and water? i don't know. neither do the experts. I've read about some euro studies that showed higher white blood cell counts after eating mircowaved food than stove cooked food. not very clear what that means but it's should give pause.

the general idea of "structured" water is real science, you can find the studies on it. It's pretty amazing really. But That a microwave would do funky things to water on that level seems intuitively right. but again no one knows the reals pros and cons here.

For my money at this point I look at it like cigarettes , for years there was supposed controversy and the "nuts" and quacks said it was dangerous until finally the news broke and the cig companies were exposed as covering up the truth for years about the addictiveness and the cancer.

the cell phones companies and various medical authorities have clouded the issue over their dangers as well. poo poopooing and ridiculing those that pointed out various issues. Now they say, for your safety, you should not put the phone against your head, and never against a child's head (it's illegal to do so in some euro countries). use the speakers.
Johnny Cokruns dr. says he NEVER puts the cell phone against his head.
seems cell phones use microwaves and it heats up the brain a bit maybe? creates cancers if overused ..probably? soo that's good for cooking?

Believe what you want to but I've read enough to abandon microwave ovens myself.

I don't miss them.

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3.5 WHAT ARE SAFE LEVELS OF EXPOSURE?

No one really knows for sure how to interpret the emerging results as painstaking experimentation continues. One thing they do know, however, is that there is a non-thermal effect from microwaves at levels that many people may be exposed to on a daily basis. What degree of danger does this non-thermal effect represent? The answer to that has to do with the controversial difference between a simple biological effect and a serious biological hazard. For example, a reduction in the ability to perform certain tasks may be the effect, but at what point does that effect constitute a hazard?

So, what are safe levels of exposure to microwaves? While vigorously warning of the invisible dangers involved with non-ionizing radiation, Dr. Milton M. Zaret, a professor of ophthalmology, and a long time student of the biological effects of microwaves, answers: "I have no idea what a safe level is, I don’t think anyone in the world knows what a safe level is."

The effects of long term exposure to low levels of microwaves, and their significance to human health, will become clear only after large numbers of people who are being exposed to microwaves are studied for many years. Studies are being done with animals, but it is difficult to translate the effects of microwaves on animals to possible effects on humans. For example, researchers find it quite difficult to simulate the conditions (with animals) under which people use microwave ovens. Since no one can say with certainty what levels of exposure are safe, the course of wisdom would be, as a U.S. government spokesman pointed out, to avoid "exposure to any unneeded radiation.’’

3.6 HOW FAR AWAY IS SAFE?

One pertinent characteristic of microwaves is that they disperse and dissipate very quickly in the atmosphere. For example, the maximum allowable leakage from a microwave oven (after the sale) is 5 milliwatts of microwave radiation per square centimeter at approximately 2 inches from the oven surface. However, as Figure 3-1 illustrates, as you move away from the oven, the level of exposure to any energy that may be leaking decreases dramatically. This may be likened to holding your hand immediately above a burning candle as opposed to holding it 4, 8 or 12 inches away. Say you are standing 2 inches away from a microwave oven, and are being "zapped" by 5mw/cm2 of microwave energy, then you wisely step back to a distance of 20 inches or roughly an arm’s length. Your level of exposure would drop by a factor of 100, (the square of the distance) to .05mw/cm2, a level compatible even with stringent Soviet standards, (present Soviet occupational standard allows up to 0.1mw/cm in no more than two hours). However, it must be noted that Czech scientists have reported some effects even at these infinitesimal levels. This, combined with the opinion of Russian scientists that microwave effects are cumulative, certainly underscores the need for consumers and servicers alike to observe certain common sense precautions.

• Stay at least an arm’s length away from the front of an operating oven. This is especially so with pregnant women according to a U.S. government agency, which states that the human fetus is "probably the most sensitive segment of the population potentially exposed to microwave radiation." Children represent another sensitive segment of the population. Never should anyone, and especially children, stand gazing into, or directly against an operating microwave oven.

• If the door of an oven will not close properly, is bent, warped, tampered with, or otherwise damaged in any way, DO NOT OPERATE the oven unless you are a qualified servicer with an approved RF survey meter in hand.

• Never operate an oven when it is empty. This creates a no-load condition, which can damage the oven and cause excess leakage.

• Never inactivate, interfere with, or try to adjust the built-in safety interlock system of an oven, unless you are properly equipped and qualified to do so. Tampering with safety interlocks would be as foolish as disconnecting the brakes on a car.

• The Food and Drug Administration recommends that microwave ovens not be used in home canning. It is believed that they do not produce or maintain temperatures high enough to kill harmful bacteria.

Observing these safety suggestions, as well as others that will be presented in subsequent chapters of this book, will help to minimize exposure levels and the risk of serious accidents.

Safety of Microwaves Used In Microwave Ovens

They really don't know what it does.
trust it with your food if you want to.

mr wonder · #5 (**permalink**) 04-18-2014, 06:16 AM

Plastics, hot and cold spots and the Microwave,
another reason not to use them.

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TEMPE, Ariz., April 24 (UPI) --
Heating leftovers in the office microwave can leave possible toxins in the food and cold spots that harbor bacteria, a U.S. expert says.

Rolf Halden, the director for the Center for Environmental Security at the Biodesign Institute at Arizona State University, said the level of chemicals leaching into food while being reheated in the microwave depends on the type of plastic put in the microwave, the time it is heated and the physical condition of the container, The Wall Street Journal reported.

"We don't know if and how many people die from plastic exposure, but we do know that in the developed world we suffer from a lot of diseases -- breast cancer, obesity and early onset puberty -- that are less prevalent in developing countries," Halden told the Journal. "These are a result of our lifestyle. From a public health perspective, we should consider heated plastic an unnecessary source of exposure to harmful elements and eliminate it."

Halden, who has done studies on emerging contaminants and plastics for more than a decade, said phthalates can leach into food, resulting in hormone imbalances and birth defects -- but no one knows at what level those effects are triggered.

Bisphenol A is potentially worse. Used in everything from the lining of metal soup cans to receipt paper, BPA was banned from baby bottles by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration but other exposure continues.

Old, cracked plastic containers and those washed hundreds of times often give off more toxins when heated, Halden said.

Instead of plastic, Halden suggested using glass or ceramic for microwave heating, or better yet, avoid the the hot and cold spots of microwave reheating and use an oven or the stove.

U.S. expert suggests not reheating food in plastic in microwave - UPI.com

rivrrat · #6 (**permalink**) 04-18-2014, 08:34 AM

Did she heat it to boiling in a plastic container? Cause that would be the problem right there. And that's not specific to microwaves. Heating plastic by ANY means releases carcinogens.

Regardless, it's a super easy test to recreate. I'd suggest trying it yourself before believing a little girl's science experiment. Water doesn't have any DNA, it can't get 'corrupted' by boiling or microwaving. Additionally, test after test after test has been done to show that when it comes to cooking food, microwaving is FAR superior to boiling with regard to the intact nutrient density. If you want your food to have more vitamins, you should not boil it. This is the order of most to least remaining nutrients:

Eat it raw (for some veggies)
Steam it
Pressure cook it
Microwave it
Bake it
Boil it < The WORST way to cook veggies

rivrrat · #7 (**permalink**) 04-18-2014, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by mr. wonder

I don't use microwaves anymore for a couple of reasons.

the radiation it leaks is 1st one in my book.
What it does to food and water? i don't know. neither do the experts. I've read about some euro studies that showed higher white blood cell counts after eating mircowaved food than stove cooked food. not very clear what that means but it's should give pause.

the general idea of "structured" water is real science, you can find the studies on it. It's pretty amazing really. But That a microwave would do funky things to water on that level seems intuitively right. but again no one knows the reals pros and cons here.

For my money at this point I look at it like cigarettes , for years there was supposed controversy and the "nuts" and quacks said it was dangerous until finally the news broke and the cig companies were exposed as covering up the truth for years about the addictiveness and the cancer.

the cell phones companies and various medical authorities have clouded the issue over their dangers as well. poo poopooing and ridiculing those that pointed out various issues. Now they say, for your safety, you should not put the phone against your head, and never against a child's head (it's illegal to do so in some euro countries). use the speakers.
Johnny Cokruns dr. says he NEVER puts the cell phone against his head.
seems cell phones use microwaves and it heats up the brain a bit maybe? creates cancers if overused ..probably? soo that's good for cooking?

Believe what you want to but I've read enough to abandon microwave ovens myself.

I don't miss them.

Safety of Microwaves Used In Microwave Ovens

They really don't know what it does.
trust it with your food if you want to.

Microwaves emit the same non-ionizing radiation as a cell phone or radio. Which is to say the kind of radiation that can NOT affect DNA.

FrancSevin · #8 (**permalink**) 04-18-2014, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by mr. wonder

Plastics, hot and cold spots and the Microwave,
another reason not to use them.

U.S. expert suggests not reheating food in plastic in microwave - UPI.com

Nonsense. Using the oven will absolutely give you cold spots in the food. That advice is from someone whohasn't tested their theory.

Always stir any food you heat, Microwave, stovetop, or Oven. Then put it back to heat again thoroughly. All the food should exceed 155 F for five minutes to kill any bacteria.

However, if the food was safe cold, two minutes in the microwave will not encourage bacteria growth before you consume the food.

Also, any toxins will not break down at any temp so cooking by any method wil not make spoiled food safe.

As for Plastics, one should never use them in a microwave. Ceramics or Glass.

Not an opinion. I have a food safety certificate with AIB. 40 years of experience.

As for the OP water can be denatured. Ionized water is actually a medical product used to promote healing. Not sure that is what happens in a microwave Just sayin'....it can be denatured. I would assumeby extension, so can food.

Yes, cause for concern about the use of Microwaves.

rivrrat · #9 (**permalink**) 04-18-2014, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by FrancSevin

Nonsense. Using the oven will absolutely give you cold spots in the food. That advice is from someone whohasn't tested their theory.

Always stir any food you heat, Microwave, stovetop, or Oven. Then put it back to heat again thoroughly. All the food should exceed 155 F for five minutes to kill any bacteria.

However, if the food was safe cold, two minutes in the microwave will not encourage bacteria growth before you consume the food.

Also, any toxins will not break down at any temp so cooking by any method wil not make spoiled food safe.

As for Plastics, one should never use them in a microwave. Ceramics or Glass.

Not an opinion. I have a food safety certificate with AIB. 40 years of experience.

As for the OP water can be denatured. Ionized water is actually a medical product used to promote healing. Not sure that is what happens in a microwave Just sayin'....it can be denatured. I would assumeby extension, so can food.

Yes, cause for concern about the use of Microwaves.

Ionization is different from denatured. Most food is denatured when cooked by any means. The structure of the proteins is changed. (to put it simply) Ionized water is different and is done using electricity to change the water's pH. (making it more alkaline) While the effects of ionized water are debatable, they are purported to be good, not negative.

mr wonder · #10 (**permalink**) 04-18-2014, 10:01 AM

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Brain Cancer Risk Increases with the Amount of Wireless Phone Use: Study

New research indicates that brain cancer risk increases with more years of cell phone and cordless phone use and more hours of use

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Predicted brain cancer risk by hours of wireless phone use

PRLog (Press Release) - Sep. 25, 2013 - BERKELEY, Calif. -- Dr. Lennart Hardell and his colleagues in Sweden just published the third in a series of papers on the use of wireless phones, including cell phones and cordless phones, and the risk of malignant and non-malignant brain tumors. The latest paper describes a new case-control study that examines the association between mobile phone use and brain cancer risk. In these studies, the cases were diagnosed with brain tumors between 2007 and 2009.

The study updates earlier research from case-control studies conducted by the Hardell group and extends the prior research by examining the effects of wireless phone use, i.e., cell phone and cordless phone use, on brain tumor risk for people who have used these phones for up to 25 or more years.

Overall, the research found that people who used wireless phones for more than a year were at 70% greater risk of brain cancer as compared to those who used wireless phones for a year or less. Those who used wireless phones for more than 25 years were at greatest risk—300% greater risk of brain cancer than those who used wireless phones for a year or less.

The total number of hours of wireless phone use was as important as the number of years of use. A fourth of the sample used wireless phones for 2,376 or more hours in their lifetime which corresponds to about 40 minutes a day over ten years. These heavier users had 250% greater risk of brain tumors as compared to those who never used wireless phones or used them for less than 39 hours in their lifetime.

A similar analysis reported in the 13-nation Interphone study funded partly by the World Health Organization found a 180% greater risk of brain cancer among those who used cell phones for 1,640 or more hours in their lifetime.

In the current study, for all types of wireless phone use, brain cancer risk was found to be greater in the part of the brain where the exposure to wireless phone radiation was highest—in the temporal or overlapping lobes of the brain on the side of the head were people predominantly used their phones...
...The paper was published online in the peer-reviewed journal, International Journal of Oncology. The abstract and a link to the paper can be found on my Electromagnetic Radiation Safety web site at http://www.saferemr.com/2013/09/brai...r-risk-increas.... In addition, the abstracts for the Hardell group’s two prior papers are available there. All three papers are open access.

Joel M. Moskowitz, Ph.D.
School of Public Health
University of California, Berkeley

Brain Cancer Risk Increases with the Amount of Wireless Phone Use: Study | PRLog

if the low level use can push cancer in living tissue what does high level use do to the dead tissue that we eat? I don't know.

Does it effect DNA specifically , I never said that. and I don't know. I'd rather be safer than sorry myself.

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