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Soon we will use these results to more accurately define the characteristics of jets from black holes, among other traits that still remain a mystery and only theorized at this point.

Most in my field believe almost all galaxies have a black hole near their center, including our very own Milky Way. This black hole is in Messier 87, an elliptical galaxy approximately fifty to fifty-five light-years away in the Virgo constellation.

Measuring the Universe’s 'Exit Door': For the First Time, an International Team Has Measured the Radius of a Black Hole

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ScienceDaily (Sep. 27, 2012) — The point of no return: In astronomy, it's known as a black hole -- a region in space where the pull of gravity is so strong that nothing, not even light, can escape. Black holes that can be billions of times more massive than our sun may reside at the heart of most galaxies. Such supermassive black holes are so powerful that activity at their boundaries can ripple throughout their host galaxies.
Measuring the universe’s 'exit door': For the first time, an international team has measured the radius of a black hole

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It seems that with a black hole, a lot of the laws of physics suddenly become very questionable. With the immense gravitational forces and whatnot, there's a whole lot of variables that are simply not understood and we're most likely not even aware of. It's entirely possible that a black hole's mass could be compressed into a single particle of massive mass due to a change in the quantum structure in those kind of high gravity environments. It could also be that there are strange changes that happen that put the diameter of the black hole just barely inside the event horizon. Trying to measure something that can't be seen and can't be inferred from external influences seems like a futile effort.

I think that we should be sending in manned probes equipped with calipers to take some actual measurements. In the spirit of national pride, I nominate Congress as the source of the pool of candidates for the crew. <cue dramatic music> They have dedicated themselves to the service of this country and I can think of no greater service they could provide than to fly headlong into a black hole, calipers in hand measuring for the glory of the American People. Their efforts will be remembered through all generations... sniff
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It seems that with a black hole, a lot of the laws of physics suddenly become very questionable. With the immense gravitational forces and whatnot, there's a whole lot of variables that are simply not understood and we're most likely not even aware of. It's entirely possible that a black hole's mass could be compressed into a single particle of massive mass due to a change in the quantum structure in those kind of high gravity environments. It could also be that there are strange changes that happen that put the diameter of the black hole just barely inside the event horizon. Trying to measure something that can't be seen and can't be inferred from external influences seems like a futile effort.

I think that we should be sending in manned probes equipped with calipers to take some actual measurements. In the spirit of national pride, I nominate Congress as the source of the pool of candidates for the crew. <cue dramatic music> They have dedicated themselves to the service of this country and I can think of no greater service they could provide than to fly headlong into a black hole, calipers in hand measuring for the glory of the American People. Their efforts will be remembered through all generations... sniff
lol that's great!!

I'll vote for that!!!

Reminds me of the of Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy.

But yes, in general, Black holes may be another questionable scientific theory. along with dark mater and dark energy. According to some scientist that is.
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What is beyond the exit, and beyond that, and beyond that ...?
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What is beyond the exit, and beyond that, and beyond that ...?
revolving door maybe?
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revolving door maybe?
And what is beyond the revolving door?
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And what is beyond the revolving door?
nothing maybe
maybe it just spins you back where came from or to another spot in the same universe just down the way a piece.
or maybe it's like an incinerator it goes nowhere just crushes and burns
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What is beyond the exit, and beyond that, and beyond that ...?


Thats a great question, but science has yet to say if something was there before the Big Bang started, so good luck finding an answer.
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