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Science, Inventions & Space Discuss Controlling Parents More Likely to Have Delinquent Children at the General Discussion; Originally Posted by foundit66 Therein lies one of the problems in today's political "discussion". No serious effort made to DISPROVE ...

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Old 04-09-2012, 02:21 PM
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Therein lies one of the problems in today's political "discussion".
No serious effort made to DISPROVE the evidence, but simply an attempt to raise doubt...

You can tell how blatantly obvious such tactics are when the person perpetrating the tactic makes NO HONEST EFFORT to answer the questions they themselves pose...


I have provided a variety of independent, substantiating evidence points which you are also intent on ignoring.

Permissive Parenting Style - Indulgent and Undemanding Parents

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The parent is responsive but undemanding
Is accepting and affirmative of the child but makes few demands for responsibility or conduct.
The permissive parent tends to take a tolerant, accepting attitude toward the child's wants and impulses, including sexual and aggressive impulses.
Permissive parents have trouble saying no and setting boundaries and guidelines for their children.They tend to be lenient and to avoid asserting authority, or imposing controls or restrictions, or indeed, any confrontation wherever possible.
Few demands are made for mature behaviour, like displaying table manners, or sharing responsibilities around the home. There are very few rules governing the child such as for bedtimes, homework schedules, mealtimes, or TV watching.
Permissively raised children are generally allowed to control their own behaviour and to make their own decisions.
Inconsistent discipline creates problems around lack of responsibility, motivation and self control become more apparent.

I'd just like to know how the study was done. I have no problem with the results, so much as the lack o finformation about the methodology. Common sense dictates that the more fringe styles of parenting are going to the least effective. The articel also places an inordinate amount of focus on the authoritarian's negative aspects, whil committing only a couple of sentences to it's opposite - the permissive style. Stuff like this makes me start asking questions. I will NEVER simply accept stuff at face value where I see things that don't sound kosher. When an article tries to push one perspective and one only, then I question the article and it's source. If the study was correctly, GREAT, if not, then it should be exposed as such. I'd like to know the facts, not just what I was told. This article has a very definite anti-authoritarian slant (I'll bet the author had permissive parents ) and that slant makes me start asking questions about it's accuracy.
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Old 04-09-2012, 09:26 PM
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Permissive Parenting Style - Indulgent and Undemanding Parents

I'd just like to know how the study was done. I have no problem with the results, so much as the lack o finformation about the methodology. Common sense dictates that the more fringe styles of parenting are going to the least effective. The articel also places an inordinate amount of focus on the authoritarian's negative aspects, whil committing only a couple of sentences to it's opposite - the permissive style. Stuff like this makes me start asking questions. I will NEVER simply accept stuff at face value where I see things that don't sound kosher. When an article tries to push one perspective and one only, then I question the article and it's source. If the study was correctly, GREAT, if not, then it should be exposed as such. I'd like to know the facts, not just what I was told. This article has a very definite anti-authoritarian slant (I'll bet the author had permissive parents ) and that slant makes me start asking questions about it's accuracy.
The only thing I see justifying your "not sounding kosher" is essentially your own personal bias.
I have given MULTIPLE examples of how the conclusions of this study can be seen in other ways in this country.
NOT ONCE have you even tried to broach the other examples I have shown.
NOT ONCE...

Quite frankly, it's more obvious that you claim "slant" when the truth is that you are emotionally tied to a specific conclusion YOU WANT.
The conclusion is inconvenient for you, so you insist that something must be wrong.

This research study had one focus on delinquent children and parenting styles...
Did you want them to create a problem for permissive parenting if that didn't pan out?


And the cherry on top is the web-site YOU PROVIDE YOURSELF....
I mean my gawd man. You try to criticize this research based on a blind capability to ask questions you don't even try to find the answers to, and then you provide THAT web-site as evidence of something???
Here's the "About Me" web-page for that site:
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She's got a degree in ENGLISH and has ONLY just read about psychology.
You try to nitpick at the article and offer that crap...
Geez.
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Controlling parents more likely to have delinquent children

I think this has ramifications for national perspectives as well.
There are a lot of countries that have a more relaxed policy on a variety of issues (e.g. drugs, alcohol) but our country has a worse problem on that issue (teen alcoholism, etc). Even on issues like teen pregnancy, there is a difference seen between policies of "we only allow to teach *no*" and "we allow a well-rounded sex education".

Liberals and Conservatives, we have the same goals on a lot of issues.
But it's time to recognize when one approach works better than another. And this isn't the only data point showing this either...
The actual study cannot be reviewed without paying a fee. All we are left with is the teaser excerpts and of course lots of authoritarian declarations based on the study's conclusion that some parenting styles might produce less "delinquents" than others.

But of course the real purpose as shown in the comment was to provide a platform to rant about gay indoctrination becoming part of the mandatory school curriculum.
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Old 07-20-2012, 02:10 AM
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Controlling parents more likely to have delinquent children

I think this has ramifications for national perspectives as well.
There are a lot of countries that have a more relaxed policy on a variety of issues (e.g. drugs, alcohol) but our country has a worse problem on that issue (teen alcoholism, etc). Even on issues like teen pregnancy, there is a difference seen between policies of "we only allow to teach *no*" and "we allow a well-rounded sex education".

Liberals and Conservatives, we have the same goals on a lot of issues.
But it's time to recognize when one approach works better than another. And this isn't the only data point showing this either...
My Mother was almost the exact model of the Authoritative Parent, and none of the four of her children were ever engaged in delinquency. The rules were firm, but sometimes open to appeal on a strong argument.

Even when she wouldn't budge, if we felt very strongly, we got to present our case as she listened attentively. To this day, I'm amazed at how much that practice quelled rebellion.

My Father on the other hand was almost the archetypal Authoritarian. That we even questioned his rules was seen as rebellion. I don't really fault him, though. His father and grandfather were said to be much the same.
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