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Old 04-17-2009, 11:55 AM
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Nice Spin, but I don't by it for a second! It was just another reminder of the lefts war on religion, just like Obama's insane pick to put that Pope basher on the faith based initiative board.
you are an absurd person.

it's hard to find a more liberal Democrat than me - and I'm a Christian...and a CONVERT at that!

you don't know what the $#%^$ you're talking about.
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“In coordinating the logistical arrangements for yesterday’s event, Georgetown honored the White House staff’s request to cover all of the Georgetown University signage and symbols behind Gaston Hall stage,” Julie Green Bataille, associate vice president for communications at Georgetown, told CNSNews.com.

“The White House wanted a simple backdrop of flags and pipe and drape for the speech, consistent with what they’ve done for other policy speeches,” she added. “Frankly, the pipe and drape wasn’t high enough by itself to fully cover the IHS and cross above the GU seal and it seemed most respectful to have them covered so as not to be seen out of context.”

The Obama admin. didn't ask that just the references to Jesus be covered up, they asked that all the signage and symbols be covered up. Had they only asked that only the references to Jesus be covered, that'd be a different story. I would have preferred that they come up with an alternative that didn't include the covering of the reference to Jesus, but to think that what was basically a "interior decorating" decision was an attempt to not show a reference to Jesus is kinda dumb, IMO.
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Nice Spin, but I don't by it for a second! It was just another reminder of the lefts war on religion, just like Obama's insane pick to put that Pope basher on the faith based initiative board.
No spin, just the truth. I know you don't like to deal with the truth when it isn't in line with your world view, but sometimes the truth is harsh. The left, in general, is not warring with religion. It's combating the rights religious war against a government that protects the rights of religious individuals to practice their faith while governing as a secular body. The government should not adopt or enforce religious beliefs as it's the government's responsibility to be the governing body of the whole. To be the governing body of the whole, it is irrational to utilize one sects ideas as the basis of law. Law should be about using facts to protect society, not enforcing morality.

As far as putting a Pope basher on the faith based board, I say why not? There are many religious sects that view the Papacy as a tool of the Anti-Christ. Why not allow those sects to be heard in a room that is supposed to be representative of different aspects of the faith community? I'm not saying that I agree with their position, but it's not for me to agree or disagree. They have the right to believe as they wish. If they wish to participate in inter-faith activities designed to improve the human condition then so be it. It seems to me that YOU are the one against this man's religious freedom AND first amendment rights simply because he 'bashes' the Pope. Doesn't he have the right to do that? Should his religious beliefs prevent him from serving in government? That seems to be the line you are selling.
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you are an absurd person.

it's hard to find a more liberal Democrat than me - and I'm a Christian...and a CONVERT at that!

you don't know what the $#%^$ you're talking about.
and you are a typical liberal who just can't stop drinking the kool aid.
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No spin, just the truth. I know you don't like to deal with the truth when it isn't in line with your world view, but sometimes the truth is harsh. The left, in general, is not warring with religion. It's combating the rights religious war against a government that protects the rights of religious individuals to practice their faith while governing as a secular body. The government should not adopt or enforce religious beliefs as it's the government's responsibility to be the governing body of the whole. To be the governing body of the whole, it is irrational to utilize one sects ideas as the basis of law. Law should be about using facts to protect society, not enforcing morality.

As far as putting a Pope basher on the faith based board, I say why not? There are many religious sects that view the Papacy as a tool of the Anti-Christ. Why not allow those sects to be heard in a room that is supposed to be representative of different aspects of the faith community? I'm not saying that I agree with their position, but it's not for me to agree or disagree. They have the right to believe as they wish. If they wish to participate in inter-faith activities designed to improve the human condition then so be it. It seems to me that YOU are the one against this man's religious freedom AND first amendment rights simply because he 'bashes' the Pope. Doesn't he have the right to do that? Should his religious beliefs prevent him from serving in government? That seems to be the line you are selling.
You know I think you, mikeyy, f66, and billo should take this mind reading show on the road. You all consistently seem to know what we are always thinking.

By the way, I'm not against this mans right to say what he wants, I just think that this is another failed Obama promise of reaching out to others. You certainly don't make friends with those who oppose you by putting someone like this in your administration. Of course when your an ultra leftist/socialist maybe this is what he considers middle of the road.

This only proves what many of us were saying before the election, nobody knew who the real Obama was.
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You know I think you, mikeyy, f66, and billo should take this mind reading show on the road. You all consistently seem to know what we are always thinking.

It's a gift. Just like you seem to know people's intentions without ever having met them.

By the way, I'm not against this mans right to say what he wants, I just think that this is another failed Obama promise of reaching out to others.

Really, by putting into a group that obviously wasn't reached out to under the last administration?

You certainly don't make friends with those who oppose you by putting someone like this in your administration.

Who said anything about making friends? This is supposed to be representative. But then again Pat Robertson is and Jerry Fallwell were so good at making friends right?

Of course when your an ultra leftist/socialist maybe this is what he considers middle of the road.

Obama is liberal, but to call him ultra leftist or socialist just shows how far from the common reality you are.

This only proves what many of us were saying before the election, nobody knew who the real Obama was.
You never know who the real anyone is. What a dumb obvious assertion.
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You never know who the real anyone is. What a dumb obvious assertion.
And it is obvious that you would rather be governed by the ultra left than to be free.
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And it is obvious that you would rather be governed by the ultra left than to be free.
Obama is NOT the ultra left. Sure he's liberal, but he's not an extremist. And to be honest, I'm more free today than I was under the GWB Administration. So other than the economic downturn that is hurting everyone, I'm pretty peachy!
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Obama is NOT the ultra left. Sure he's liberal, but he's not an extremist. And to be honest, I'm more free today than I was under the GWB Administration. So other than the economic downturn that is hurting everyone, I'm pretty peachy!
Oh you poor soul you were so oppressed under Bush............

And yet under the new, "I'm mot a liberal," Obama administration you have this......

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Law enforcement officials are vastly expanding their collection of DNA to include millions more people who have been arrested or detained but not yet convicted. The move, intended to help solve more crimes, is raising concerns about the privacy of petty offenders and people who are presumed innocent.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/19/us/19DNA.html?_r=1

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If this ain't more of a socialist/totalitarian government than we ever had under Bush, then I think one of us is blind, or ignoring the facts.
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