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Who Is A True Jew?
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Who Is A True Jew? ________________________________________ God's Promise to Abram/Abraham Genesis 12:1 (KJV) Now the Lord had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee: God's Promise to Bless the Nations through Abram Genesis 22:18 (KJV) And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice. God Reaffirms His Promise in Isaac Genesis 17:21 (KJV) But my covenant will I establish with Isaac, which Sarah shall bear unto thee at this set time in the next year. Jacob Became A New Man Genesis 32:28 (KJV) And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed. God Reaffirms His Promise In Jacob whose Name Was Changed to Israel Salvation came through the Jews John 4:22 (KJV) Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews. For you to be saved you have to become a spiritual Jew; even a natural born Jew must become a spiritual Jew in order to be saved. It also means that the Messiah came from the Jewish Nation, also you will see as you read God will use spiritual Jews to bring salvation to the entire world, so salvation will come through them as well. Galatians 3:16 (KJV) Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ. Jesus' Family/A True Jew Matthew 12:48-50 (KJV) But he answered and said unto him that told him, Who is my mother? and who are my brethren? And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren! For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother. Matthew 25:40 (KJV) And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me. A True Descendant of Abraham John 8:39 (KJV) They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham. Matthew 7:21 (KJV) Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Romans 9:6-8 (KJV) Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed. The children of the promise are those who are Abraham's seed through faith. The true children of God are those who do God's will, just as Abraham did. The Spiritual Jew Romans 2:29 (KJV) But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God. God Has Made Those Who Were Not Jews To Become Spiritual Jews Acts 13:46 (KJV) Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles. Matthew 21:43 (KJV) Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. Nation: ethnos,eth'-nos; probably from Greek (etho); a race (as of the same habit), i.e. a tribe; specially a foreign (non-Jewish) one (usually by implication pagan) :- Gentile, heathen, nation, people. Romans 11:24 (KJV) For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree? The True Children of Abraham Will Sit Down In the Kingdom of God Luke 13:28-29 (KJV) There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out. And they shall come from the east, and from the west, and from the north, and from the south, and shall sit down in the kingdom of God. God Will Show the World Who Are Truly the Children of Abraham by making the nations come and worship before our feet. Rev. 3:9 (KJV) Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee. The Apostle Paul Knew Who were Really Jews Galatians 3:7 (KJV) Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham. Galatians 3:29 (KJV) And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise. God Has Not Forsaken Those Who Are Israelites By Natural Birth Romans 11:24 (KJV) For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree? God Will Use Spiritual Jews to Save those Who Are Jews of the Flesh Rev. 2:26 (KJV) And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations: Daniel 7:18 (KJV) But the saints of the most High shall take the kingdom, and possess the kingdom for ever, even for ever and ever. Jude 1:14 (KJV) And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints, Ten thousands: murias,moo-ree'-as; from Greek (murioi); a ten-thousand; by extension a "myriad" or indefinite number :- ten thousand. God Will Save Israel A Second Time From Slavery Isaiah 11:11 (KJV) And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros, and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath, and from the islands of the sea. God Will Then Covert those Who Are Jews and Israelites of the Flesh into True Descendants of Abraham Jeremiah 31:31-34 (KJV) Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord: But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord; for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more. Hosea 3:5 (KJV) Afterward shall the children of Israel return, and seek the Lord their God, and David their king; and shall fear the Lord and his goodness in the latter days. Even the Gentile Nations Will Become the People of God Psalm 86:9 (KJV) All nations whom thou hast made shall come and worship before thee, O Lord; and shall glorify thy name. Micah 4:6-7 (KJV) In that day, saith the Lord, will I assemble her that halteth, and I will gather her that is driven out, and her that I have afflicted; And I will make her that halted a remnant, and her that was cast far off a strong nation: and the Lord shall reign over them in mount Zion from henceforth, even for ever. God Will Open the Graves of the Children of Israel Who Died With Out Hope Ezekiel 37:11-14 (KJV) Then he said unto me, Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel: behold, they say, Our bones are dried, and our hope is lost: we are cut off for our parts. Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel. And ye shall know that I am the Lord, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves, And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the Lord have spoken it, and performed it, saith the Lord. God Will Do the Same Even for the Gentile Nations Rev. 20:5 (KJV) But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. As we can see from scripture a true Jew or a descendant of Abraham is not one born of natural birth, but one that is born of God. A true descendant of Abraham is one that is obedient to God's word in the same way Abraham, Isaac and Jacob was. Last edited by MrSmith764; 12-01-2007 at 09:00 AM. 
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02-20-2008, 07:11 AM
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Adam Sandler and Mel Brooks are my favorite Jews.
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03-06-2008, 12:21 AM
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There is no True Jew, or at least no existing examples of the Jewish peoples found in the Holy Scriptures of national Israel. They had their kingdom taken away from them when they killed God's Son---Matthew 21:33-46. And the Jewish leaders understood the parable was about them---Matthew 21:45. There are still citizens of Israel, but only in a "spiritual sense", as Jesus now sets on the throne of this spiritual nation--Acts 2:29-36. For Christ made prophecy of the destruction and death of "physical Israel" in Matthew 24: 4-34. And this prophecy came true in 70 AD and confirmed also the prophecy of Daniel, concerning the "abomination of desolation". Jesus describes the Roman army surrounding Jerusalem in the gospel of Luke, talking about the same prophecy of Christ (Luke 21:20). But here on earth this kingdom is known as the Christian church, and as a citizen of this kingdom one indeed becomes an adopted heir of the promise and becomes the seed of Abraham---Gal. 2:29.
The scriptures declare there is no salvation outside of Christ. Only through Jesus can men be saved--Acts 4:12. Jesus is the way, the only way--John 14:6. There is no special favor toward physical Israel, with the exception they were to be offered salvation first in the New Covenant. Lineage means nothing to God--Luke 3:8. But, what is important is the heart, not physical things such as circumcision--Romans 2:28-29. The Jews were just as guilty of sin as were the Gentiles--Romans 1:16. The same gospel saves both Jew and Greek--Romans 1:16. Thus, the Jews and Gentiles have been brought into one body. Reconciled into one body--Ephesians 2:11-18. The past mystery was revealed--Ephesians 3:6. There is one body (Ephesians 4:4), and that body is the church--Ephesians 1:22-33. ALL are equal in that one body. All (Jews and Gentiles alike) were condemned under sin, so that BELIEF could become the standard--Galatians 3:22. The Law (OT) which created the physical nation of Israel, was only until the SEED should come---Gal. 3:19. And that SEED was Christ---Gal. 3:16. The Law simply preserved people until Christ came and the the Law ended--Gal. 3:24-25. Now, in Christ we are all one, there is neither Greek nor Jew, male nor female, free nor bond---Gal. 3:25-28. Thus, by BELIEF, not physical lineage, we become descendants of Abraham---Gal. 3:29. DID PAUL SAY THE JEWS, AS A NATION, WOULD BE RESTORED TO GOD'S FAVOR? Was Israel completely rejected by God? Paul argues no, as he offers himself as an example of living proof that some, a faithful core had been accepted--Romans 11:1. God has always had a faithful core throughout the history of Israel--Romans 11:2-4. That had continued until the days that Paul lived in---Romans 11:5-7. Notice that the ELECT now has God's grace or favor. And it is the Christian who is the elect-- l Peter 1:1-2, Colossians 3:12, ll Tim. 2:10. Thus, Paul concludes the remnant of Israel are those who became a part of the election of God in the church. The fall of the majority of Israel was necessary in order to bring in the Gentiles--Romans 11:8-11. But is their fall was hard, their return, if they believe and it happens, will be all that more glorious---Romans 11:12-15. The allegory of the branches. Some, not all, of the branches were broken off, those that did not believe---Romans 11: 16:20. God treats the natural branches (the Jews who did believe) and the grafted branches (the gentiles) equally--Romans 11:21-24. The mystery is that even fallen Jews can be saved---Romans 11:25-27. They are enemies of the gospel, but concerning the election they can become beloved once again---Romans 11:28. Gods gifts are equally given. They cannot be revoked for one group---Romans 11:29. God condemned ALL under sin so that He could show all mercy in the same way---Romans 11:30-32. Thus Paul said that not all Jews were lost at the changing of the covenant, because some through faith switched over to the church. The fall of the majority, though, showed their sins and allowed God to show equal treatment by accepting only those who believed in Christ, whether they were Gentile or Jew. NOWHERE does Paul relegate this conversion of the Jews to the distant future. Nor does he state that their conversion is connected with Jesus second coming, as it is at this time that Christ is to hand the kingdom back over to the father--- 1 Cor 15:20-25. Nowhere does Paul say it would be a complete conversion. He states that was only if the believed. Nowhere does Paul state that God will ignore the Christian church and the gentiles therein and focus only on The Jews. Can those that call themselves modern Jews and live in modern Israel be saved. Certainly----By the same manner we are all saved---Gal. 3:25-29.
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03-06-2008, 05:56 AM
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Are we going to start this mess again?
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03-06-2008, 09:58 AM
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The real question should be "why are so many people absolutey obsessed with Jews"
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03-06-2008, 11:44 AM
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03-07-2008, 04:07 AM
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Hey Blue Dog...
Are you saying there is no true Jew because the jews did what God intended them to do... and as a result of doing what they were preordained to do they are punished?
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03-08-2008, 01:34 AM
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03-08-2008, 05:40 AM
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But todays Jews do not believe in the new covenant, nor anything in the new testament.
Would not someone who follows Jewish law. and considers themselves of the Jewish faith be a Jew? Also, anyone from Greece is Greek. I have a problem with inconsistency, and I find that much of the bible is full of it. I grew up in a Baptist church, taught Sunday school, did Bible study, went on missions trips, ran the full gambit. So I hope you are not taking anything I say personally... I am just saying that there are Jews and Greeks... regardless of what someone wrote in the book. I also have trouble believing that the book is divinely inspired... but that I suppose is another discussion.
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