Who Is A True Jew? - Page 6

chuck7251 · #51 (**permalink**) 04-05-2008, 03:45 PM

[quote=Blue Dog;21640]Again you are presenting nothing but opinion.[/QUOTE

Nope... the counsel of Nicea is fact...

and the ark... fact...

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Yet, you DEMAND to control and direct the direction in which you want to steer a supposed coherent debate about the validity of the Holy Bible.

It is not a debate. If it were a debate you would have been able to make a compelling argument. Thus far all you have said... repeatedly... is "It is so because it says so"...

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You absurdly claim that the information contained in the pages of the scriptures are nothing but lies, you FALSELY state there is no time frame given for the impending doom of the Kingdom of Israel, and yet the time frame was made "explicit" to come within that generation, and at a time when the Old Laws would be made non effective and you somehow come to reason that because many other kingdoms have fallen demonstrates the fact of Israel falling as common place, the other kingdoms that fell were not prophesied to fall within a certain time as was the nation of Israel.

I am not claiming that all the information is false. I am claiming that many of the stories are not true, but then again, many people would see them as parables that teach a lesson. I am saying that for you to say that everything within that book is divinely inspired, you need proof. ESPECIALLY if you are going to claim that someone elses religion is false.

Its very easy to tear apart your supposed vast superior intellect and expose you as the "less informed" individual that you are instead of the pompous very intelligent individual that you "claim" you are.

Well, I have yet to claim that I am very intelligent. I am very rarely "pompous". I am glad that you are now telling lies and judging... very christian.

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As still, blah, blah, you address none of "your" claims of falsehood, as you produce no proof, to back up your spinning.

What spinning? Look up Counsel of Nicea, look up scientific proof of ark... I don't have to spin anything... the history is there.

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Typical Pseudo Liberal that expects or demands that others take care of his/her every life need, because apparently they lack the ability to address these concerns on their own?

I am far more of a moderate. I have liberal views on American rights, could care less about the rest of the world... and am very conservative when it comes to legal and fiscal issues.

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Your ignorance is made paramount by the your demands, to control, things that are beyond your control.

What are you talking about? You made a statement. I challenged you to back up that statement... you jumped into attack mode. If that shows anyones ignorance it is yours. Your inability to have a debate negates the possibility of this being a debate. Christ you are hebitudinous.

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By what authority do you demand the very book book that you accuse of being false be dismissed as evidence?

Because that was the original challenge. Which you have dodged and ducked.

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Do you fear the truth found within its pages

No one has ever proven any of it to be true...

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Do you expect others to accept your demands simply because you demand them, if so this is another liberal trait of ignorance.

I have not made a demand. I posed a challenge.

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What are you going to do falsely accuse and talk others to come to your world view of secularism, without backing up your words with facts and deeds?

Who is trying to convert anyone? You said Jews are liars because your book says so... I said that in order for your OPINION to hold any weight you must be able to prove that your book is true. I can prove that WWI, WWII, and Vietnam happened because there are hundreds upon hundreds of sources that will attest to that. Yet there is only one source that can corroborate your bible, and that is the bible itself.

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You do nothing but produce a good belly laugh, a much needed one at that.

Ok. Instead of laughing maybe you should be trying to accept the challenge.

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As again your childish pranks that are parroted from some secular Prof that does not have the ability to make it in the real world, and decides they are a legend in their own mind, does not work, in the communist fashion that you wish to impose them upon others.

ok, make that a coherent thought and get back to me.

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It no wonder that today's education systems are producing graduates that can barely read and write, if this is best that you have, as you have failed to defend what you believe and expect others to do all the leg work in YOUR DEFENSE?

You are laughing at what I believe... you have NO idea what I believe. My beliefs have only come up in your mind. The subject is what millions of Jews believe. In that I have had to defend nothing because you have been unable to say anything incriminating against them except, "because I say so". If there were a court case you would be held in contempt for wasting time.

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As I said before, it best that you hit the educational books and find a few facts out for yourself, instead of parroting the ignorance of others. BD

Ok, first you say that education in this country is bad, now you suggest I use the books that are used in schools to educate myself? THE ONLY BOOKS that will support your position are based on the bible. I have not parroted anything... I pointed out a little historical fact... and then I asked you a question... the same one... over and over... which you have failed to answer.

I can't even laugh at you, I feel too bad for you. I almost feel like disproving your ability to think is similar to shooting retarded fish in a 5 gallon bucket with a minigun.

So, without using the bible, I challenge you to prove that the bible is absolute truth. I am sure you will answer with some drawn out post about "my beliefs", and how "pompous" I am... but maybe you will take the time to answer the question posed too...

Blue Dog · #52 (**permalink**) 06-12-2008, 12:04 AM

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Again you are presenting nothing but opinion.[/QUOTE

Nope... the counsel of Nicea is fact...

and the ark... fact...

It is not a debate. If it were a debate you would have been able to make a compelling argument. Thus far all you have said... repeatedly... is "It is so because it says so"...

I am not claiming that all the information is false. I am claiming that many of the stories are not true, but then again, many people would see them as parables that teach a lesson. I am saying that for you to say that everything within that book is divinely inspired, you need proof. ESPECIALLY if you are going to claim that someone elses religion is false.

Its very easy to tear apart your supposed vast superior intellect and expose you as the "less informed" individual that you are instead of the pompous very intelligent individual that you "claim" you are.

Well, I have yet to claim that I am very intelligent. I am very rarely "pompous". I am glad that you are now telling lies and judging... very christian.

What spinning? Look up Counsel of Nicea, look up scientific proof of ark... I don't have to spin anything... the history is there.

I am far more of a moderate. I have liberal views on American rights, could care less about the rest of the world... and am very conservative when it comes to legal and fiscal issues.

What are you talking about? You made a statement. I challenged you to back up that statement... you jumped into attack mode. If that shows anyones ignorance it is yours. Your inability to have a debate negates the possibility of this being a debate. Christ you are hebitudinous.

Because that was the original challenge. Which you have dodged and ducked.

No one has ever proven any of it to be true...

I have not made a demand. I posed a challenge.

Who is trying to convert anyone? You said Jews are liars because your book says so... I said that in order for your OPINION to hold any weight you must be able to prove that your book is true. I can prove that WWI, WWII, and Vietnam happened because there are hundreds upon hundreds of sources that will attest to that. Yet there is only one source that can corroborate your bible, and that is the bible itself.

Ok. Instead of laughing maybe you should be trying to accept the challenge.

ok, make that a coherent thought and get back to me.

You are laughing at what I believe... you have NO idea what I believe. My beliefs have only come up in your mind. The subject is what millions of Jews believe. In that I have had to defend nothing because you have been unable to say anything incriminating against them except, "because I say so". If there were a court case you would be held in contempt for wasting time.

Ok, first you say that education in this country is bad, now you suggest I use the books that are used in schools to educate myself? THE ONLY BOOKS that will support your position are based on the bible. I have not parroted anything... I pointed out a little historical fact... and then I asked you a question... the same one... over and over... which you have failed to answer.

I can't even laugh at you, I feel too bad for you. I almost feel like disproving your ability to think is similar to shooting retarded fish in a 5 gallon bucket with a minigun.

So, without using the bible, I challenge you to prove that the bible is absolute truth. I am sure you will answer with some drawn out post about "my beliefs", and how "pompous" I am... but maybe you will take the time to answer the question posed too...

Funny. You talk but say nothing. Accuse but prove nothing. Declare something a lie and claim that you are not saying that, but saying parts of it are UNTRUE....When the Book that you are accusing clearly states that all of it is truth -- 2 Tim 3:16. Thus if part of it is false all of it is. Yet you fail to prove as much. You say the Book called the MODERN Jews liar's and that same book JUST happens to be the very book that they base their foundation of faith upon. But history actual points out the fact that The Jewish nation was indeed vanquished from the earth for over 2000 years and when it did reappear in name only in (1947) it clearly was in no way shape or form the Israel found in the Holy Scriptures. No King, No royal priesthood....no authority to exist, according to both the Old and New Testaments. Yet, despite their disappearing act...you claim that the Jewish faith as practiced in the Holy Scriptures has existed over that 2000 year span...as the chosen people of God. Really? Prove it. Do you need a dictionary to verbosely enhance your vocabulary. Again...YOU ARE THE ONE THAT declared it to be untrue.....PROVE THAT IT IS. I accept the words as truth, must I justify my faith to you? You do not want to accept it as truth? I have no problem with that..you have the inherent right of free will to believe as you. But indeed sense you are the one declaring that the words found therein are untruths, the burden of presenting such evidence to make void the sworn testimony of So many authors that have sworn before God this statements to be eyewitness and true.....Proceed with your prosecution. BD

chuck7251 · #53 (**permalink**) 06-17-2008, 03:38 PM

And again, you say nothing.

Burden of proof lies with the prosecution, not the defense.

If you want to believe that all of the bible is untrue simply because the story of the ark can be scientifically proven to be untrue, so be it.

But that means you are basing your argument on a fairy tale...

You say that there are no Jews, that makes you the prosecution. I say there are millions of Jews, that would make me the defense. I am defending the faith of millions of people from someone who cannot even prove his main evidence.

Are you by chance a couch potato christian? you watch it on TV and then spout it off?

Blue Dog · #54 (**permalink**) 06-17-2008, 04:21 PM

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And again, you say nothing.

Burden of proof lies with the prosecution, not the defense.

If you want to believe that all of the bible is untrue simply because the story of the ark can be scientifically proven to be untrue, so be it.

But that means you are basing your argument on a fairy tale...

You say that there are no Jews, that makes you the prosecution. I say there are millions of Jews, that would make me the defense. I am defending the faith of millions of people from someone who cannot even prove his main evidence.

Are you by chance a couch potato christian? you watch it on TV and then spout it off?

A fairy tale that proves itself by "history actual" in the many circumstances of "scientific foreknowledge" presented in the Scriptures...thousands of years ahead of the learning curve of SECULAR MAN. If its such a simple thing to disprove just pick up your "cash reward" that has been offered on the table for anyone that can prove that "evolution" is a valid scientific method. And taken to court more than once and proven wrong by the "secular courts".

As I said there are numerous examples of the Scriptures being proved "correct" and secular man....wrong. Debunk these facts...if you can...or not, As I more than suspect. As you are nothing but the fool and blow hard that your words prove you to be...in your obvious ignorance of the scriptures that you do not pretend to understand....yet, openly declare them as false...proceed. It is more than amusing watching you go in circles. BD

Correlation of the Bible and Science

Blue Dog · #55 (**permalink**) 06-17-2008, 04:51 PM

The traits of a fool, as clearly evidenced on this thread. The Bible has very much to say about fools. And by example, it hits the nail on the head.

A fool does not want to learn. -- Pr. 1:22. He will despise good advise. -- Pr. 15:15. He may ACT as if he is listening but demonstrates clearly by repeating the same foolishness, NOTHING ACTUALLY CHANGES, proving that he ignores all except his own self delusions -- Matthew 7:26. And as always, the fool inevitably reveals himself to be....A FOOL. -- Pr. 13:16.

A fool is only interested in presenting his ideology and saying his piece. He is not interested in UNDERSTAND NOR COMPREHENDING others points, he just wants the opportunity to "SPOUT OFF" -- Pr. 18:2. Once his mouth starts flapping there is nothing of substance there -- Pr. 12:23. A fool speaks only foolishness -- Pr. 15:2. Because he has nothing worth saying he makes up for the lack of reason and understanding with many "verbose" words of ignorance -- Eccl. 5:3.

Because a fool does not use his cognation to reason facts, he is often lead by his emotions. He believes everything that he hears..except the truth -- Pr. 14:15. Thus, he is easily lead into sexual perversion -- Pr. 7:6-27. He picks fights -- Pr. 18:6-7. He needles in the affairs of others (typical liberalism) and stirs up strife -- Pr. 20:3. He is quick to anger -- Eccl. 7:9. THOUGH EASILY PROVOKED, he hides his emotions as he uses BACKSTABBING to accomplish his ends....(now that is liberalism personified). -- Prov. 10:18

A FOOL IS ARROGANT...(OBVIOUS by this thread presented in nothing but pomposity, as it is not grounded in any knowledge of either history or biblical scripture). HE MOCKS SIN -- Pr. 14:9 Even when faced with evil He ignores it (sound familiar with the liberal doctrine?) -- Pr. 22:3. Sin will not stop him/her from their personal self centered goals. Acting religious but demonstrating anything but -- Luke 11:39-40.

And lastly.....IT INDEED IS THE FOOL THAT CONVINCES HIMSELF....THERE IS NO GOD. -- Ps. 53:1. As they professed themselves wise but became fools, as they decided not to retain the knowledge that God grants all men. -- Romans 1:20-22 BD

chuck7251 · #56 (**permalink**) 06-22-2008, 02:50 PM

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A fairy tale that proves itself by "history actual" in the many circumstances of "scientific foreknowledge" presented in the Scriptures...thousands of years ahead of the learning curve of SECULAR MAN. If its such a simple thing to disprove just pick up your "cash reward" that has been offered on the table for anyone that can prove that "evolution" is a valid scientific method. And taken to court more than once and proven wrong by the "secular courts".

Evolution has not been disproven, it is proven every day in the world around us. I have no idea where it started, I just don't feel I need to know. Saying that your scriptures are proven by history is idiotic. Just because a myth contains flecks of fact does not make it fact. Unless you also believe that all of Stephen Kings books are real... considering they also contain facts.

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As I said there are numerous examples of the Scriptures being proved "correct" and secular man....wrong. Debunk these facts...if you can...or not, As I more than suspect. As you are nothing but the fool and blow hard that your words prove you to be...in your obvious ignorance of the scriptures that you do not pretend to understand....yet, openly declare them as false...proceed. It is more than amusing watching you go in circles. BD

Listen, clown... you are the one trying to disprove something. I just showed you that your book contains things that cannot be true. CANNOT BE TRUE> I do not have to continue disproving your book of fairy tales. You are attacking other peoples beliefs. I was fine letting you go on without attacking your weak minded following. Again, prove the bible without using the bible.

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Waxworker · #57 (**permalink**) 07-15-2008, 04:55 AM

As a Daoist who is, thankfully, outside of the Jewish and Christian traditions, I can make a couple of objective points.

1. Quoting a mass of verses from a book that was written by a sect that rebelled from Judaism is not the proper context to judge who is a Jew and who isn't. Sorry if that slams the Christian faith, but there it is.

2. The verses quoted [i]in totem[i] demonstrate to those of us "outside the camp" just how truly convoluted and imprecise the Bible is.

Is it any wonder there have been so many sects, denominations, and divisions of every type within Christianity?

dga · #58 (**permalink**) 07-15-2008, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Waxworker

As a Daoist who is, thankfully, outside of the Jewish and Christian traditions, I can make a couple of objective points.

1. Quoting a mass of verses from a book that was written by a sect that rebelled from Judaism is not the proper context to judge who is a Jew and who isn't. Sorry if that slams the Christian faith, but there it is.

2. The verses quoted [i]in totem[i] demonstrate to those of us "outside the camp" just how truly convoluted and imprecise the Bible is.

Is it any wonder there have been so many sects, denominations, and divisions of every type within Christianity?

Truthfully I must admit that I don't believe the Bible is completely factual. I believe that Genesis was a simplified way of explaining evolution to a people who were not prepared or knowledgeable enough to comprehend the evolution theory. I believe in reincarnation and that our soul is purified through every life, "polishing" us, for use of a better word, so that we can reach a higher evolutionary state and join our creator, and the Bible contains teachings that will help us in this endeavor. Hence, I believe in a God, but I believe that prayer is meant to nourish and fortify our souls, not that He requires glorification. Oh, and I don't believe there is a hell. Hell is the process through which you soul is purified (i.e. life, hell is on Earth, etc.). I guess I'm not really religious at all, lol. You cannot discount the teachings of the Bible. In it you will find everything from good parenting to how to live through life's hardest blows. Scripture will give you fortitude in times of crisis.

mlurp · #59 (**permalink**) 07-16-2008, 04:10 PM

To advoid this problem, I now read just what Jesus and those God choose to speak toward the future. And yes I believe the words to be true. Just thought I would toss in my opinion.

saltwn · #60 (**permalink**) 07-17-2008, 03:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Waxworker

As a Daoist who is, thankfully, outside of the Jewish and Christian traditions, I can make a couple of objective points.

1. Quoting a mass of verses from a book that was written by a sect that rebelled from Judaism is not the proper context to judge who is a Jew and who isn't. Sorry if that slams the Christian faith, but there it is.

2. The verses quoted [i]in totem[i] demonstrate to those of us "outside the camp" just how truly convoluted and imprecise the Bible is.

Is it any wonder there have been so many sects, denominations, and divisions of every type within Christianity?

Ever heard of obsessive/compulsive disorder? That is what religion falls prey to sometimes. People latch onto a thought or a set of verse and make it their life's mission.
If you want to know what Christianity is all about, read Luke, John and Acts in the New Testament. That is what modern day Christianity is mostly based on.

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