The truth is, I was called out of town for a few weeks, but I am back. Let me back track slightly and see exactly what it was that I was supposed to come up with an answer for. >>>>And, it seems that you want me to prove the same "negative" that you refused to disprove. As I have stated, the proof is validated by the fact of actual eye witness accounts of the signs and wonders that confirmed the message presented as truth, these eye witness accounts were many and various, and certainly presented by more than the 3 that even our current legal system requires in confirmation of "circumstantial" evidence, thus we have 27 books of the NT and 39 books of the OT that have been authenticated by the same cannon process that was found to preserve the "Septuagint" Koine Greek translation of the Old Testament for a period of over 900 years from 200 BC until 700 AD, the time between known copies of the text to be validated as original copies of Old Testament manuscripts. This was "confirmed" and carbon dated when the "Dead Sea Scrolls" were found, and these contained actual copies of entire books from the OT, and what was found to be true when compared with the former "earliest" copies of the OT of the 700s AD was that the text found in the Septuagint translation or Koine Greek, which was the universal language of the 1st century, and was the Septuagint text (the same text used today), these texts were found to vary only slightly from the BC copies, the mild variations were presented only in sentence structure and dialect when the Koine was translated into English, but the content of the text was preserved almost verbatim.

It was this same cannon process that have preserved our New Testament scriptures that were mainly written in the same Koine Greek with the authors actually quoting references from the Septuagint Old Testament. Thus, I find that with evidence of eye witness recordings, stated in the fact that many such witnesses went to their grave professing these accounts as truth, it indeed would be up to you to present evidence that rebuked these accounts as false. As I notice that you do not even have circumstantial evidence to present to your claims of falsehood. And as to your statements about the Mormons and their "extra" books, they happen to be sailing in the same waters as yourself, as do those of the Islamic faith, as both claim to be the word of God, but both are contradicted by the writings of the New Testament Cannon, and they also must present these translations as false to preserve their claims. But, clearly, both are false doctrine, according to the cannonized books of the New Testament. BD

These books were written hundreds of years after the actual events took place... it was a big game of telephone.

Furthermore, there is still NO evidence other than the book itself that proves the book. Hearsay is not evidence.

Also, Let's just look at the story of Noah. How many of each animal did he take on the ark? In order to take two of each animal, the ark would have had to have been the size of Kansas... In order for enough rain to fall to flood the entire Earth in just 40 days and nights, the air would have been too thick to breath... atmospheric pressure would have crushed the lungs of everything that was alive. Of course, the bible doesn't just say take two of each animal... later in teh same book it says he took seven of each of the "clean" animals... just a little contradiction for you.

I am not asking you to prove a negative. I am asking you to prove that the bible is true without using the bible as proof. That would mean find a secular source... that proves the bible.

You can't...

So your definition of a "True Jew" is exactly that... your definition...

nothing more...

And the Jews that are practicing today, are valid in considering themselves true.

Of course, by your definition the Kuran is also true... since it too can prove itself.

You want circumstantial evidence proving the books false? Ok... start with the hundreds of biblical contradictions and mistakes found here:
A List Of Biblical Contradictions

If the bible was divinely inspired... there should not be ONE mistake

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Well, I notice that there are still millions of Jews...

and that even though possibly 1/3 of the world claims to be Christian, not many walk in the footsteps of Christ...

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You see, the facts are, a part of our Holy Bible has bee proven to be in existence some several centuries before the Christ was even born (The Septuagint translation of the OT, translated into Koine Greek, and still in use today, and often quoted and used by the New Testament authors).

And the interesting thing about the Old Testament being validated is the fact that some several hundred prophecies contained in the Old writings are presented in the NT as confirmed by the truth found in the pages of this New Testament of Christ. Can see your own lack of logic in presenting the false claim that the Islamic faith can be validated by the content of its own message?

The falsehood is the the "claim" that the Koran is only a continuing revelation presented from God in the Holy Scriptures of God. However, the truths found in the true revelation of God, The Holy Bible, declares that the Koran cannot possibly be presented by God and from God, due to the fact that ALL TRUTH was delivered by God in the lst century by the Holy Spirit of Truth whom had been commissioned to do just that by the Christ (God in the flesh). -- John 14:16-31, 16:13. And once this truth was delivered it and it alone is to be used as doctrine in consideration of declaring Christianity and the worship and serving of the one true Living God. -- 2 Tim 3:16-17. And and such we have everything pertaining unto life and godliness -- 2 Peter 1:3. Also consider the words of God as they declare that this faith, All of which has been revealed to the saints of the 1st century, as been delivered ONCE for all time -- Jude 1:3. Now indeed considering these revelations that were found in the word of God, and considering the fact that all that profess the Islamic faith themselves declare that their faith is only a continuation of God word as found in the Holy Scriptures must be believing in FALSE DOCTRINE. For indeed, it is IMPOSSIBLE for the entirety of anything to be delivered more than ONCE. And is I am not mistaken it was a supposed visit from an angle of God that delivered the message that instituted the Islamic belief some 700 years after ALL the TRUTH had been delivered ONCE and for all time to the Apostles of Christ in the 1st century. And also within the pages of God revealed word we find, "But through we or an angle from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed." -- Gal. 1:8. BD

No what you notice, are millions "claiming" to be true Jews. As I said their claims do not a true Jew make, especially when they are compared with the Jews presented in the Holy Scriptures. As they have no tribal ID, No priesthood, and No monarch anointed by the will of God. As the scriptures declare their kingdom was taken away from them for disobeying God. Thus, they live and worship in false hope of doctrine, as only the true Jew, accepts the will of God and professes a belief in Christ Jesus, just as did Peter, Paul, John and the other TRUE JEWS of the 1st century. The rest were cut from the olive tree which is the family tree of God, and can only be grafted back in, when they indeed profess that Christ Jesus now sits in reign of the Spiritual nation of Israel which is the Spiritual Kingdom of God. And because some do not walk in the footsteps of Christ, does thsi preclude ANY from walking in them? That is just like the absurd claim by many that God cannot possible exist because of the all the hardships and evil that exists in the world. By this logic of reason, would it not also make it a true statement that God indeed exists because there are examples of righteousness and truth, and happiness in the world? As I said, one instance does not preclude the existence of another, especially the TRUE INSTANCE OF FAITH. BD

Who and Jew rhyme. Just thought I'd point that out.

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They have a hold on everything...

Even the calendar...

July = "Jew lie"

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Once again, without using the bible(which includes the OT) prove the bible. You cannot disprove the Stephen Kings It, and if I only use that as a reference, I can continue to call it true too. It is easy to fulfill prophecies when you want to. I can predict that water will turn red when I add Cherry Kool Aid... especially since I have done it before.

Interestingly enough, Jews don't believe it was validated. That is why they are Jews and not Christians. If I were to only use the Koran as a reference I could undoubtedly prove the Koran. Which is why I have asked you, time and time again, for a secular source as proof.

As the second largest religion in the world, I would bet millions of Islams would say their book is as valid as yours.

Of course, without using your respective books, neither of you can prove anything.

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Wasn't Paul a pharisee?

Again, the True Jews of today do not believe that your messiah proved anything. More or less they believe he was a nice man, but that the stories may have been... embellished a little.

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