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I don't think being Jewish is a race or ethnicity because after all religion is something you choose. I don't buy into the nonsense that just because your dad is Jewish that makes you Jewish as well,especially considering the fact you can convert to it or leave it.You can't convert to race or leave a race.You can also convert to another nationality as well.
I would respectfully disagree. You cannot "choose" the truth. There is only one example of TRUTH. You may choose to offer your opinion, you may choose to worship in a false manner, but you certainly cannot CHOOSE any religion and make it an example of the truth. There is only ONE GOD, and there is only ONE TRUTHFUL manner in which He wishes to be worshiped, and this mannerism is found in the words that He has CHOSEN to reveal to us. And this WORD is validated by the signs and wonders performed in His Name, and as of this date, no example of anyone being able to "disprove" the examples thereof, is to be found upon the face of this earth. The "ONLY" way those that worship in traditional Jewish mannerisms to validate their "chosen" worship is for them to "exclude" the entirety of God's revealed word, as they refuse to accept the truth revealed by God in the words of the New Testament, simply because it points out the truth of their history. BD

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I would respectfully disagree. You cannot "choose" the truth.There is only one example of TRUTH.
I disagree.You can choose to accept the truth or you can choose to accept a lie.

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You may choose to offer your opinion, you may choose to worship in a false manner, but you certainly cannot CHOOSE any religion and make it an example of the truth.
I agree with that in regard to Christianity.There many people running around claiming to be Christian when they are not.They act as though Jesus made a sin-all-you-want Christ-opoly card that can used over and over again and never returned back to the deck and that mentioning the fact that someone is committing a sin somehow constitutes passing judgment on someone.
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I disagree.You can choose to accept the truth or you can choose to accept a lie.



I agree with that in regard to Christianity.There many people running around claiming to be Christian when they are not.They act as though Jesus made a sin-all-you-want Christ-opoly card that can used over and over again and never returned back to the deck and that mentioning the fact that someone is committing a sin somehow constitutes passing judgment on someone.
You can not "select" truth. Truth is truth, regardless of whether or not one wishes to "acknowledge" it as such. And the Word of God is truth, "Sanctify them through thy truth: they word is truth." (John 17:17). This Word was witnessed, given by the Spirit of God-- ll Peter 1:16-21, and confirmed by Miracles, signs, and wonders--Mark 16:20, Hebrews 2:1-4. There is but one set of circumstantial "facts" that is truth, it is not "chosen" from among any numerous examples of different facts, if something is a fact, it then is considered the truth. Thus, it is a "scriptural" fact that they (the scriptures) declares there is no distinction made any longer between the Jewish faith and Gentile or (Greek) faith if they both accept the one and only true method of worship in serving the one and only true God of Creation and that methodology rests solely in the teachings of Christ Jesus--Gal. 3:28. In fact some of the Jewish converts (the faithful core of the Hebrew faith that accepted Christ) were preaching false doctrine and telling people they first must become Jews to accept Christianity and the the Apostle Paul rebuked this false teaching, "Christ is become of NO EFFECT unto you, WHOSOEVER of you are justified by the LAW(The old law); YE ARE FALLEN FROM GRACE." (Gal. 5:4). Paul even had to rebuke Peter concerning the fact that Peter was preaching "circumcision" to the followers of Christ (Gal. 2:11). "But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed."

Are we to use the Old Testament teachings? The "truth" as presented in New Testament doctrine declares, "For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our LEARNING, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope." (Rom. 15:4). It contains examples for us, so that we will not be caught unaware, the way the Israelites were and make the very same mistakes as they-- l Cor. 10:1-12. The Old Law is to be our "schoolmaster", to prove that the word of God indeed points to the fact that Jesus was indeed the CHRIST(Messiah)--Gal. 3:24-25. BD
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The bible is TRUTH....because it has NEVER been proven anything other than truth. The prophecies contained therein have been proven true, even by YOUR own words, as you pointed out the Jews were guilty of fulfilling the prophecy of killing Jesus. The words of Christ were confirmed by signs and wonders and witnessed by 27 books detailing such. And despite the countless attacks on the validity of these truths....no material evidence has been presented that declare anything other than what is written to be true. If you have any real evidence to base your "warrant less" opinions concerning these writings to be untrue please present it. Opinion does not evidence make, as you offer NOTHING but "vain babblings". Please present "YOUR" evidence that any of the miraculous wonders performed by the Christ was not real or did not occur. There is nothing written in the scriptures, as I pointed that validates anyone worshiping outside the written words as a TRUE JEW, a person that is performing the will of God as it is revealed. There are no biblical examples of any surviving Jews left from the Israel of the Bible, which was destroyed in the physical sense 2000 years ago. The people that "pretend" to be JEWS of the scriptures worship in vain, according to the written word of God and the New Covenant that was placed into effect upon the death of Christ. Your Opinionated Babblings does not constitute TRUTH as does the written word of God, it only constitutes vain babble, which we are instructed to avoid, "Of these things put them in rememberance, charging them before the Lord that they strive not about words to no profit, but to the subverting of the hearers. Study (an example you should follow if you wish to confront the written truth with nonsense) to show thyself approved unto God, a workman that needth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. But SHUN PROFANE AND VAIN BABBLINGS; for they will increase unto more UNGODLINESS." ( 2 Timothy 2:14-16) BD
Ok, thank you for proving you are unable to think.

That is CIRCULAR REASONING... the bible is truth because it says so.

You cannot prove a negative... you cannot prove that evil clowns with monster fangs CANNOT come out of bathroom faucets. You can't do it. You cannot prove that there is no Alien spaceship that looks like a turtle.


Also, your 27 books... surprise... all the bible. BTW, were there stenographers taking Jesus words, or were they written CENTURIES after he died? Have you done the research... centuries later in a game of telephone someone wrote what some else heard from someone else, who heard it from etc etc etc...

Now, you little robot you, please explain the COUNTLESS inconcistencies and contradictions in your truth book. If God inspired this book(some believe that he even practically posessed the writers) then why did this omnipotent being and infallible being make so many darn mistakes.

How can I prove a negative? You want me to prove that miracles attributed to Jesus over 2000 years ago did not occur. Prove they did. Prove it withou using the bioble. If these miracles are real, there should be hundreds of books written about them. Since the beginning of time itself man has been obsessed with mysticism. So please, show me one of he multitude that he fed with the single loaf of bread and three fish. I won't hold my breath.

Well, you call my words vain babblings... I call your mindless regurgitation of prejudice handed down to one of millions of sheeple in oder to control them. Unfortunately, you gave up your "god given gift of intellect" in favor of some grape kool aid.

But, if at some point you can prove ANYTHING you say without the bible, please do.

It is always funny when someone who wields the bible like a weapon decides that he doesn't want to play anymore...

BTW, the prophecies... Well... the Jews do not believe the prophecy WAS fulfilled... therefore it is your cult that has decided it was true... sounds almost as valid as my "It" being true analogy
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The "ONLY" way those that worship in traditional Jewish mannerisms to validate their "chosen" worship is for them to "exclude" the entirety of God's revealed word, as they refuse to accept the truth revealed by God in the words of the New Testament, simply because it points out the truth of their history. BD
Funny, is it Mormons that believe ANOTHER book was found, handed down by Christ himself? Yest your religion excludes that one...

Don't bother quoting revelations, I mean really... they believe God Himself handed it down...

Also, no one will ever disprove the bible. Then again, no one will ever disprove Scientology, Wicca, or Buddhism either. Your basis for "truth" is laughable.
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Ok, thank you for proving you are unable to think.

That is CIRCULAR REASONING... the bible is truth because it says so.

You cannot prove a negative... you cannot prove that evil clowns with monster fangs CANNOT come out of bathroom faucets. You can't do it. You cannot prove that there is no Alien spaceship that looks like a turtle.


Also, your 27 books... surprise... all the bible. BTW, were there stenographers taking Jesus words, or were they written CENTURIES after he died? Have you done the research... centuries later in a game of telephone someone wrote what some else heard from someone else, who heard it from etc etc etc...

Now, you little robot you, please explain the COUNTLESS inconcistencies and contradictions in your truth book. If God inspired this book(some believe that he even practically posessed the writers) then why did this omnipotent being and infallible being make so many darn mistakes.

How can I prove a negative? You want me to prove that miracles attributed to Jesus over 2000 years ago did not occur. Prove they did. Prove it withou using the bioble. If these miracles are real, there should be hundreds of books written about them. Since the beginning of time itself man has been obsessed with mysticism. So please, show me one of he multitude that he fed with the single loaf of bread and three fish. I won't hold my breath.

Well, you call my words vain babblings... I call your mindless regurgitation of prejudice handed down to one of millions of sheeple in oder to control them. Unfortunately, you gave up your "god given gift of intellect" in favor of some grape kool aid.

But, if at some point you can prove ANYTHING you say without the bible, please do.

It is always funny when someone who wields the bible like a weapon decides that he doesn't want to play anymore...

BTW, the prophecies... Well... the Jews do not believe the prophecy WAS fulfilled... therefore it is your cult that has decided it was true... sounds almost as valid as my "It" being true analogy
I notice that it is "you" that calls me a robot, but again it is you that "parrots" information from sources other than the very book that you question. It seems that you are robot, of a secular nature, as you espouse...contradictions, the inconsistent scripts, but from what I can see, the inconsistent train of thought comes from between your ears, as you have failed to provide anything other than accusations with no proof, to deny the witnessed accounts. Please provide your facts of proof, other than some Parroted idea of "contradictions" that can be dismissed as the the "joke" they are, with a simple correct reading of the textual content. Something that secular types seems to have problems with, the truth being presented, as you lie through unprovable implications. There is a list of of almost "200" so called contradictions listed. Shall we take them one by one? Like the time the cock crowed, was it 9 or was it 3, with seculars like you never even considering that in fact two different times calculations are being used, the Roman or Greek time measurement from 12 to 12 and or the Hebrew method of calculating time from 6 to 6 sundown to sunup. And then to cry "contradiction" is most laughable, what is laughable is the lack of ability of people such as you being unable to comprehend, in your limited cognation to reason FACTS.

Present your "shopping list" of so called contradictions that you have "parroted" from one of many secular web pages. We will "debunk" them one at a time, with the truth of what is actually written. Were there two angels or one sitting upon the rock at the grave of Christ...what a joke, because one author choses to mention more than one does not make it a contradiction because the other author does not chose to mention it in his account. Words omitted do not contradict words written. Lets get on with this joke that has been tried for 2000 years yet never proven, present your jokes. I also notice that you claim that the Jews could be right and the Christians wrong. It then is of no wonder that you might conclude contraction of the scripts. Just look as the facts, was it the Jewish nation or the Christians that have survived for the last 2000 years. God promised to destroy the nation of Israel for killing Christ, now according to history "actual" just which group did God punish with fulfillment of Christs prophecy in Matthew 24, declaring God would bring about the destruction of Israel? Which religious group disappeared from the face of the earth? And which group only grew to encompass 1/3 the worlds population, despite the numerous attempts by people such as you to destroy them? Your reasoning has a lot to be desired, especially when dealing with the facts of history. BD

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The funny thing about this silly thread is that Jesus WAS a Jew. He was born a Jew, died a Jew and never renounced his faith at any point between.
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The funny thing about this silly thread is that Jesus WAS a Jew. He was born a Jew, died a Jew and never renounced his faith at any point between.
Exactly, but He was a Jew that performed the Fathers will (just as did the faithful core mentioned by Paul in the book of Romans, in which he-himself was member), and the "ONLY" example of a Jew walking his entire life without "sin" in order that He might be offered as the "perfect" sacrificial lamb to fulfill the requirements of the Old Law. He could not have been of any other faith except Jewish to bring about closure of the Old Covenant. BD

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BD, as soon as you can prove the bible is the "inspired word of god, we will move on to the contradictions and inconsistencies... this is the question you keep dodging though.

Without using the bible as a reference, prove the bible.

You say I am being robotic because when I ask you to prove the bible I do not reference? Then if I do reference it, you say I am using circular reasoning... just throw up your white flag...
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and did you come up with an answer ...
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