You do not have to know what is going on in someone’s mind when you see or read about the hardship/persecution that they went through. I don't have to be sawed in two to know that it’s very painful; I know what pain is. The little pain that I experience tells me that their pain was very great. It also tells me that because they went through a lot more than I possible will ever go through, they will receive a greater reward in the kingdom of God than I would because they had to overcome much more.

Yes your body may be in pain but you have no idea of their mental state.

Agreed. Persecution is a personal definition.

To a person that has lived their life being treated as a subhuman the perception may be different. A similar truth would exist for different cultures.

I am called to include a book written by Willis Augustus Hodges about life in the US in earlier times.

(as reference: http://www.inmotionaame.org/texts/vi...06T&page=TITLE )

The Bible view is based on a thought process that comes from the person that wrote that book. What the person felt is of more importance, to me, than whayt another would interpret.

Could you elaborate on this, please?

I am sure when the person was being eaten by a lion their body was in pain but we do not know what state their minds were in. It is very possible that their minds were with God so they felt no pain of the body. It has been shown many times when people are in excessive pain that their minds will detach from their bodies and they do not feel the pain, they become numb, how do we know this is not God's way of helping us through that pain?

Almost true. But the Bible gives us a formula to help:1Jn 4:1 Dear friends, don't believe everyone who claims to have the Spirit of God. Test them all to find out if they really do come from God. Many false prophets have already gone out into the world,
1Jn 4:2 and you can know which ones come from God. His Spirit says that Jesus Christ had a truly human body.
1Jn 4:3 But when someone doesn't say this about Jesus, you know that person has a spirit that doesn't come from God and is the enemy of Christ. You knew that this enemy was coming into the world and now is already here.


Deu 10:18 The LORD defends the rights of orphans and widows. He cares for foreigners and gives them food and clothing.
Job 31:18 Since the time I was young, I have cared for orphans and helped widows.
Isa 1:17 and learn to live right. See that justice is done. Defend widows and orphans and help those in need."
Jer 7:6 Stop taking advantage of foreigners, orphans, and widows. Don't kill innocent people. And stop worshiping other gods.
Jas 1:27 Religion that pleases God the Father must be pure and spotless. You must help needy orphans and widows and not let this world make you evil.
Mal 3:5 The LORD All-Powerful said: I'm now on my way to judge you. And I will quickly condemn all who practice witchcraft or cheat in marriage or tell lies in court or rob workers of their pay or mistreat widows and orphans or steal the property of foreigners or refuse to respect me. 1Ti 5:3 Take care of any widow who is really in need.

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You would need to provide some evidence that God removes a Christian’s pain when they are being persecuted. There are Christians right now as we speak that are being persecuted, and the Church that I am a member of has members in Countries that torched Christians, and some of them have spoken about how they were tortured, they never said that they never felt any pain.

Jesus never promise Christians that when they are being persecuted, God will cause them not to feel the pain. We must avoid making things up simply because we cannot understand how some one can endure such treatment. They endured the persecution because they were so committed to God that not even that could cause them to turn their backs on God. We in the west have a lot to learn from these Christians about what it means to be a Christians…in this Country, we are so materialistic. Our minds are more set on this world and the things of this world.

I never said they did not feel pain I said we do NOT know for SURE what they felt. None of us knows what they were thinking or feeling because we were not there, so it is just as conceivable that they felt no pain as it is that they did feel pain. As for those being persecuted today, would they renounce their religion to stop the toucher? If not then some higher power is getting them through the pain.




Wow that is pretty bold of you since you have NO IDEA what God has in mind for anyone. I simply put out a view point that I feel could very well be true.


That is my exact reason why I do not feel God would just leave them to suffer without any uplifting at all. I do not feel that My God anyway is that cold and heartless.

That is your POV. I don't believe that.

How many Christians have you heard that were tortured that have said they did not feel the pain of being tortured? I am aware that their could be exception, but I am talking about the rule here. If there are Christians who are being tortured and live, they would no dought be telling as much people about it as they possibly can….at least I know I would.




And it's more likly not true




What did Jesus said when Paul was persecution the Church? What did Jesus said to the disciples after He was resurrected? Did Jesus felt pain when He was one the cross?

God uplift His people every with His words so that when our day of trouble comes we will be ready. Don't the scripture says that the suffering of this world cannot be compared to the glory that will be reviled in us? How can a person suffer with out pain? The fact that one suffers means is pain involved.


This is baste on my own observations; I have seen those who call themselves Christians talk more about the things of this world than they do about spiritual things. Such as the kind of cars they love, the house they want or the person they would love to marry, not to mention politics….some are very good at gossiping, just to name a few things.

Christian lives with hardship and sincerity to their belief. Many Christians have experience torture and discrimination throughout the line of history.

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