Your initial post implies (strongly) that marriage is only what you deem it to be...and that is a compact with God.

Yet marriage is an official government contract, and people who have no belief in God whatsoever are allowed to marry. It is clear that there are people who are married who have made no contract with God.

It rather strikes your scenario as pointless - and wrong.

No you’re wrong, that is not what I'm saying. I'm simply showing from the Bible that it is not a sin if a man and a woman who chose to spend the rest of their lives together but did not have a pastor or someone in authority to marry them. We, and I am speaking collectively of human beings as a whole are very oppressive towards each other. We constantly seek to impose our will over other human beings as if we are superior to them. We act as if we have some kind of unalienable right to rule/dominate others. Everyone has a right to make up his or her mind, or else we would not have one.

Of course there are things that are right and things that are wrong, and it behooves all of us (including those who love to lord it over others) to know the difference between the two, and the will to do what is right. But as far as how one goes about marrying each other, it is not for I or anyone else to tell than what to do.


Marriage is a covenant/contract between two people, the man and his wife and if it's a Christian, then God is the one who witness it and binds them together. I am not married, but I know of no one who has gotten married, who has made a contract with the government....they are not marrying the government, they are marrying each other. No government has the authority from God to nullify that union...they can by force, but force does not make right.


Among the many problems of our modern world is that rather than have more freedom, we live in a system where we cannot seem to do anything without the approval of the government or those we put in high office. We may live to see the day when we will have to get a permit to have children, or a law preventing us from having more children than the government says we should have.

The only authority that a man and a woman need, who want to spend the rest of their lives together is each other, that's it.



As you whish, I was not looking for anyone to give credit to my point....I already have all that I need.

Marriage as a commitment solely between two individuals who are in love and want to share their lives is great.
But if you think one of them might outlive the other one; they'll have children together; they may own joint property or they could conceivably get a divorce-
They damn well better have a piece of notarized paper!

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That's a different issue, but the point is God does not require the couple to have a piece of paper in order for that union to be legitimate in His eyes. And not all legal marriages are recognized in God's eyes.

How do we KNOW what is recognized in God's eyes? We believe we have evidence (Bible) but really don't have evidence that the Bible is true and final word of God. Perhaps this is why there are continuing revelations...

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-- Hitler, April 11 1942

Well that's your problem, I'm sorry to say.

It's not a problem, it's a question of fact. Or are you not concerned with fact?

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The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to permit the conquered Eastern peoples to have arms. History teaches that all conquerors who have allowed their subject races to carry arms have prepared their own downfall by doing so.

-- Hitler, April 11 1942

It has always been a problem other people when someone who is filled with the Spirit of God speaks, from the time of Able right on done to our time. Even the children of Israel had a problem recognizing when God was speaking to them via the prophets of God.

To understand this you need to know that human beings are naturally hostile to God, even if one does not realize it. That's why unless God imparts His nature into our mind we would never desire Him; we would never want to hear anything about what God has to say.....that is why I say it's your problem.

I must say that I find your argumentation interesting yet flawed. While it is true that there have been times that the 'message of God' has been contested I find it to be interesting that it's Christians that manipulate the text to fit their needs. If we look at the Civil War, we can clearly see the Southern Christians manipulating the Bible, taking phrases out of context to justify and promote the keeping of Slaves. Those same Christians use Biblical text to justify their opposition to welfare, equality for women, racial equality, and worse use the text to support abortion and bombings on abortion clinics and the like.

When the moderating voice of God is communicated to the people of God they are opposed to it not because they are opposed to God, but because they are opposed to not being able to use God to their advantage here on Earth. Christians act as if they have the monopoly on God yet fail to realize that we are ALL God's children.

This is the primary flaw of using the Bible. First, the Bible is divinely inspired yet not divinely executed. This means that it was left up to flawed humans to transcribe the events into the text. We know that humans are flawed and we know that many are willing to change wording and phrases to be useful to their personal mission and prejudices. Why are we to believe that these few humans who have written the text of the Bible and the hundreds who have translated it afterwards have been true to the text and intention of God?

It is the flaws of the text and the humans surrounding it that make it necessary to pray and act from conviction (the continuing revelation). The personal relationship developed with God through prayer and meditation is more significant than the relationship dictated through the texts. It is through these personal relationships that good people have acted to remedy the short-comings of "Christian" controlled churches and governments.

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The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to permit the conquered Eastern peoples to have arms. History teaches that all conquerors who have allowed their subject races to carry arms have prepared their own downfall by doing so.

-- Hitler, April 11 1942

Not everyone who calls themselves a Christian is a Christian; Jesus told us that in the parable about the wheat and the tare.

Matthew 13:24-30 (KJV)
24 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:
25 But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.
26 But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also.
27 So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?
28 He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?
29 But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.
30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

Their fruit/behavior will tell us who they are.

Matthew 7:15-16 (KJV)
15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

Galatians 5:22-23 (KJV)
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.