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I learned, just today, that those nursery rhymes that we all learned as children--and that seemed so utterly innocuous--were actually about real people (usually kings or queens); and that these people were referred to in a (somewhat thinly) veiled way, so that the author would not be hanged--or, worse yet, burned at the stake.

Here are some examples:

Three Blind Mice – Henry VIII’s 1st Protestant archbishop; Hugh Lattimer; Matthew Ridley

Little Tommy’s Tittlemouse – about the monks

Little Boy Blue – Cardinal Woolsey (his favorite color was blue)

Sheep is in the meadow – Cardinal Woolsey

Jack and Jill
– an attempt to get the French king to marry Mary Tudor

Sing a Song of Six Pence
– 20 deeds of property for Henry VIII
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I learned, just today, that those nursery rhymes that we all learned as children--and that seemed so utterly innocuous--were actually about real people (usually kings or queens); and that these people were referred to in a (somewhat thinly) veiled way, so that the author would not be hanged--or, worse yet, burned at the stake.

Here are some examples:

Three Blind Mice – Henry VIII’s 1st Protestant archbishop; Hugh Lattimer; Matthew Ridley

Little Tommy’s Tittlemouse – about the monks

Little Boy Blue – Cardinal Woolsey (his favorite color was blue)

Sheep is in the meadow – Cardinal Woolsey

Jack and Jill
– an attempt to get the French king to marry Mary Tudor

Sing a Song of Six Pence
– 20 deeds of property for Henry VIII
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“Jack be nimble” originated with an English pirate who always seemed to elude authorities.
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Humpty Dumpty was a big cannon.
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ring_a_Ring_o%27_Roses
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“Jack be nimble” originated with an English pirate who always seemed to elude authorities.
I wonder if he really jumped over a candlestick? I hear it is good luck to jump over a lit candle stick without putting it out.
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I wonder if he really jumped over a candlestick? I hear it is good luck to jump over a lit candle stick without putting it out.
refers to the old custom at wedding feasts of jumping over a lit candle. If it stayed lit, you were in for a good year. If it didn't, you were in for bad luck



btw the former was black jack who seems to have been australian[unsure maybe american deserter from a whaler] and found not guilty of repeated theft on the high seas or islands till his crew killed him.
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Rind Around the Rosy is rather dark and I just now remembered hearing that it is about the bubonic plague.

ring around the rosy refers to the rosy colored rash ; Ashes to ashes we all fall down’ refers to the cremation of bodies. and 'pocket full of posies I think was aromatic flowers to kill the stench.
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